What first flashgun?


Garnett

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 11:22
I'm wondering about trying out a flashgun.

I've been doing abit of reading and the Yongnuo 560 seems well regarded and very good bang-for-buck. It's also very reasonable. my budget's limited.

My issue is that it is manual. I suspect I'd want to try an auto first before I try and start inputting settings manually.

I can't find a decent budget auto flash with tilt and swivel that fits Pentax cameras.

I'd love to have some input from more experienced forumites on what I should go for.
~Pentax K-5, DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR, DA 35mm f/2.4 AL, DA 55-300mm f4.0-5.8 ED, FA 50mm f/1.4, M 50mm f/1.8 - flickr

wvbarnes

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 11:46
I use the Sigma EF 610 DG ST, it's excellent and very easy to use. Full PTTL on all modes, handy low power 7 degrees down for macro if you can't (like me) afford a ring flash yet|! 1/180th max sync speed though. Takes Canon sized cheap pattern diffusers too.

sterretje

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 13:20
There might be an issue getting the Yongnuo to work on a K5. There have been a couple of post about that on pentaxforums (and possibly elsewhere).

There is an easy fix for it (if you can handle a solder iron) by modifying the flash hardware, but if one wants to do that with a new flash is another question.

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5/162331-mounted-yn-560-flash-proble...
Pentax K10D + Vivitar 55/2.8 macro + Super Takumar 55/1.8 + SuperMultiCoated Takumar 85/1.8 + SuperMultiCoated Takumar 135/3.5 + SuperMultiCoated Takumar 200/4 + Super Takumar 300/4
Pentax K100D + DA18-55ALII + DA55-300
Pentax K5 + FA31Ltd + M50/1.7 + DFA100WR + M120/2.8 (+ DA18-55WR at occasion)
Last Edited by sterretje on 19/06/2012 - 13:24

Garnett

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 13:28
Thanks WVB and Sterretje. I'm fairly happy with a soldering iron, but not so happy with Manual flash at the moment - I think starting out an auto flash might ease me in to things a bit. Whether or not I can rationalise the resultant doubling in necessary budget (from 50 for the Yongnuo to 120 for the Sigma) - well, that's another matter...
~Pentax K-5, DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR, DA 35mm f/2.4 AL, DA 55-300mm f4.0-5.8 ED, FA 50mm f/1.4, M 50mm f/1.8 - flickr

Pentaxophile

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 15:11
You could look for an old thyristor auto flash (the Pentax AF280T comes to mind).. just engage red or green auto mode, and set the ISO and f-stop according to what the flash tells you. These flashguns are available on ebay for a few if you are lucky so it's a low-risk dip-your-toe-into-flash.
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DaveHolmes

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 16:15
I use YN560 both on and off-camera (using Cactus V4's) with my K-x...

Learning curve isn't too steep (imo) and its a powerful and pretty well made tool for the price...

I have no real need now for a Pttl/auto flash and can guess correct exposure to within one shot now... Often nailled on first shot...

Zack Arias (onelight) had a really good way of explaining manual flash exposure usage in easy to understand language...
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Digital:
Pentax K5- Vivitar 19mm 3.8; FA35mm f2; D-Xenon 100mm macro f2.8; DA50-200mm WR...
Flash:
Yongnuo YN-560; Vivitar 285HV; Cactus V4 triggers...
Film:
Pentax-MX & M50mm f1.4; Spottie & 55mm f1.8; MG & M40mm 2.8...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveholmesphotos/

Garnett

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 16:57
Pentaxophile - I'll need to read up on that option. Sounds interesting.

Dave, that sounds slightly less daunting than I had thought doing my reading. Do you have a link to the explanation you mention?
~Pentax K-5, DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR, DA 35mm f/2.4 AL, DA 55-300mm f4.0-5.8 ED, FA 50mm f/1.4, M 50mm f/1.8 - flickr
Last Edited by Garnett on 19/06/2012 - 16:58

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 19/06/2012 - 18:37
OneLight is a DVD (I have a copied copy somewhere) but there are bits of it on youtube...

Essentially:

Aperture controls flash exposure if you get too much flash in the shot (ie; overexposed) close down your apereture... If too dark open it up... If you can't open it up, raise the ISO...

Shutterspeed controls your ambient light... If you don't want any, shoot at sync (1/180 on Pentax cameras) with low flashpower and subject close... If you're just wanting a bit of fill flash but ambient light is important, slow the shutter...


A couple hours practicing with a toy doll (or a rock in my case) should see you right... You kinda just have to learn to ignore the meter in the camera and go with your gut...

Both these are with the YN560... (sorry there so ugly... Can't choose your friends...)

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This one was at Harewood House on a really bright day so it to was at sync (1/180)... The flash is quite obvious (partly due to my bad placement) but the blend between flash and ambient is ok...

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Digital:
Pentax K5- Vivitar 19mm 3.8; FA35mm f2; D-Xenon 100mm macro f2.8; DA50-200mm WR...
Flash:
Yongnuo YN-560; Vivitar 285HV; Cactus V4 triggers...
Film:
Pentax-MX & M50mm f1.4; Spottie & 55mm f1.8; MG & M40mm 2.8...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveholmesphotos/

Garnett

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 07:04
Thanks Dave. Somenice flash use there. Whereabouts did you get your Cactus triggers?
~Pentax K-5, DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR, DA 35mm f/2.4 AL, DA 55-300mm f4.0-5.8 ED, FA 50mm f/1.4, M 50mm f/1.8 - flickr

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 11:42
Garnett wrote:
Thanks Dave. Somenice flash use there. Whereabouts did you get your Cactus triggers?

After a lot of tealling I managed to find a UK supplier but for the life of me I can't seem to find again...

Gadget Infinity are your best bet though... By all accounts the V5 are vastly superior to my V4 set, but they do a sterling job and have held up well to bag abuse (they're left to rattle around frequently)

Thanks
For me - flash is a bit of extra fun more than anything!
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Digital:
Pentax K5- Vivitar 19mm 3.8; FA35mm f2; D-Xenon 100mm macro f2.8; DA50-200mm WR...
Flash:
Yongnuo YN-560; Vivitar 285HV; Cactus V4 triggers...
Film:
Pentax-MX & M50mm f1.4; Spottie & 55mm f1.8; MG & M40mm 2.8...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveholmesphotos/

cabstar

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 12:24
I have the yn560 mk2s and they work fine on my k-5.

I bought two and one stopped working after a couple of weeks, sent it back to china and was replaced within a week.

They look really good and whilst they don't have pttl are really easy to use, a lot simpler than my Metz af48 which cost 3 times as much.
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Currently on a Pentax hiatus until an FF Pentax is released

cabstar

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 12:25
Oh and if you shoot at 7fps the yn560mk2 keeps up when set below 1/8 power setting
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Concert photography

Currently on a Pentax hiatus until an FF Pentax is released

Pentaxophile

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 12:33
Interesting alternative to the Yongnuos, Minolta 4000AF: http://www.pentaxforums.com/accessoryreviews/showproduct.php?product=1118&ca...

I just bought one for 1.20, plus 3.00 delivery! It seems pretty good so I got another from Rocky Cameras. Rather huge compared to modern flashes though, no 2nd curtain sync, but the power settings are there
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surfhelds

Link Posted 20/06/2012 - 21:11
Hey,

I'm using a Metz Mz40... And I like that flash a lot. Cheap but gooood!
One thing that's missing is HSS, but for now I can live without it.

cu Roddy
Pentax K5 with BG, Sigma 8-16mm, Sigma 30mm F1.4, Tamron 17-50mm F2.8, Pentaxx 50-135mm F2.8, Metz Mz40

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