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Posted 12/09/2009 - 14:27
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I just bought a Pentax K20d so obviously I'm not clear on the out-of-date concept. I've had it a week and am thoroughly enjoying myself.
Posted 12/09/2009 - 15:08
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IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
Best regards, John
Posted 12/09/2009 - 15:56
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Mike-P wrote:
Nikon higher end bodies can also meter with my Adaptall 2 lenses which Canon is unable to do (as I understand it) due to the mount change a few years back.
Saying that if Canon can get the same low light performance as the D300 with a 18MP sensor then I can see real panick in the Nikon camp.
A 1.6 18MP crop sensor with 8fps will make a excellent wildlife/sports camera "IF" the all new autofocus system performs as they say it will.
I think all Canons meter fine in aperture priority and manual. AF confirmation works if you get the adaptors with the AF module. K mount, M42, all old Nikon (!), Leica R mount and the Adaptall equivalents etc. Canon FF bodies might cause some issues with lenses with deep rear elements.smc wrote:
Canon would get my vote: you can use M42 and almost all K mount glass. I suspect the 7D may also be at the same level as the Nikons for low light performance. Otherwise, I think from limited experience Canon handling is better than Nikon.
I thought Nikon could use M42 and K mount with an adapter?Canon would get my vote: you can use M42 and almost all K mount glass. I suspect the 7D may also be at the same level as the Nikons for low light performance. Otherwise, I think from limited experience Canon handling is better than Nikon.
Nikon higher end bodies can also meter with my Adaptall 2 lenses which Canon is unable to do (as I understand it) due to the mount change a few years back.
Saying that if Canon can get the same low light performance as the D300 with a 18MP sensor then I can see real panick in the Nikon camp.
A 1.6 18MP crop sensor with 8fps will make a excellent wildlife/sports camera "IF" the all new autofocus system performs as they say it will.
We'll see about the new AF system, but not really the point if mounting old glass.
Posted 12/09/2009 - 16:19
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johnriley wrote:
IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
I agree entirely ..so why ll the fuss when a new camera comes out and all the nit picking about specs ?
IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Posted 12/09/2009 - 16:31
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smc wrote:
Canon would get my vote: you can use M42 and almost all K mount glass. I suspect the 7D may also be at the same level as the Nikons for low light performance. Otherwise, I think from limited experience Canon handling is better than Nikon.
Cough cough, splutter splutter......Canon would get my vote: you can use M42 and almost all K mount glass. I suspect the 7D may also be at the same level as the Nikons for low light performance. Otherwise, I think from limited experience Canon handling is better than Nikon.
Regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 12/09/2009 - 16:31
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Have to say write up on latest Nikon300s makes for interesting reading .
One just has to face up to the fact whatever you buy will be out of date in 12 months time( or even less).
Have to say write up on latest Nikon300s makes for interesting reading .
One just has to face up to the fact whatever you buy will be out of date in 12 months time( or even less).
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Which would one you lot go for and why..unbiassed opinons only
Which would one you lot go for and why..unbiassed opinons only
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if it beats the 50D Canon its good enough for me,just hope the kit lenses are good enough .
if it beats the 50D Canon its good enough for me,just hope the kit lenses are good enough .
hkwiles wrote:
I think I missed something... are you bipolar ?
johnriley wrote:
IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
I agree entirely ..so why ll the fuss when a new camera comes out and all the nit picking about specs ?IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
Posted 12/09/2009 - 17:17
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I mean why get new one if current one isnt out of date ?
Why chase specs and pixels ?
Makes one wonder how Henri Bresson and Ansel Adams managed
Why chase specs and pixels ?
Makes one wonder how Henri Bresson and Ansel Adams managed
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Posted 12/09/2009 - 17:35
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hkwiles wrote:
I mean why get new one if current one isnt out of date ?
The current one is always out of date.I mean why get new one if current one isnt out of date ?
Personally I want more megapixels so I can crop harder, focus compensation and better autofocus. Being a K10D user I can get all of those things with a K20D but if I can afford to jump a model and get the bonus (to me) of video, better liveview, more fps, better build quality and a few other extras then why not.
Of course, you notice I say I want and not I need
Posted 12/09/2009 - 17:49
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Mike-P wrote:
Thanks Mike what I said in the original post
hkwiles wrote:
I mean why get new one if current one isnt out of date ?
The current one is always out of date.I mean why get new one if current one isnt out of date ?
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Posted 12/09/2009 - 17:52
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RR wrote:
No but ... Nikon AND Pentax are you RR?
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Have to say write up on latest Nikon300s makes for interesting reading .
One just has to face up to the fact whatever you buy will be out of date in 12 months time( or even less).
Have to say write up on latest Nikon300s makes for interesting reading .
One just has to face up to the fact whatever you buy will be out of date in 12 months time( or even less).
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Which would one you lot go for and why..unbiassed opinons only
Which would one you lot go for and why..unbiassed opinons only
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if it beats the 50D Canon its good enough for me,just hope the kit lenses are good enough .
if it beats the 50D Canon its good enough for me,just hope the kit lenses are good enough .
hkwiles wrote:
I think I missed something... are you bipolar ?johnriley wrote:
IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
I agree entirely ..so why ll the fuss when a new camera comes out and all the nit picking about specs ?IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available.
Even that is often not insurmountable though, although electronic cameras do become defunct when the batteries or electronics are no longer replaceable.
Pentax currently offer three DSLRs, all of which are perfectly well useable and "up to date" compared with offerings from their competitors. There isn't anything in terms of photography that you can't do with them, so how much more do we need them to be?
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Posted 12/09/2009 - 18:03
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I think RR was refering to you saying "One just has to face up to the fact whatever you buy will be out of date in 12 months time", then John replying "IMHO an out of date camera is only one that can't be used any more, for example, if the film type is no longer available", and then your reply to that of "I agree entirely", which does seem to contradict your first statement.
Dan
Dan
K-3, a macro lens and a DA*300mm...
Posted 12/09/2009 - 18:17
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Gues I will have to remember I am being monitored by the Grammar Police
Howard
Howard
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Posted 12/09/2009 - 19:47
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Well, to be fair, it's not about grammar, it was more of an apparent 180 degree shift in opinion, then back again when you agreed with Mike.
I'm sure you were actually agreeing with the third paragraph of John's post, but it was just unfortunate that it could be taken out of context.
I suppose both points of view are valid anyway - the technology may be 'out of date' compared to current products, but they're still perfectly capable of taking decent shots, so not 'out of date' in that respect.
Not something I tend to worry about too often, to be honest.
Dan
I'm sure you were actually agreeing with the third paragraph of John's post, but it was just unfortunate that it could be taken out of context.
I suppose both points of view are valid anyway - the technology may be 'out of date' compared to current products, but they're still perfectly capable of taking decent shots, so not 'out of date' in that respect.
Not something I tend to worry about too often, to be honest.
Dan
K-3, a macro lens and a DA*300mm...
Posted 12/09/2009 - 20:21
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Daniel Bridge wrote:
Well, to be fair, it's not about grammar, it was more of an apparent 180 degree shift in opinion, then back again when you agreed with Mike.
I'm sure you were actually agreeing with the third paragraph of John's post, but it was just unfortunate that it could be taken out of context.
I suppose both points of view are valid anyway - the technology may be 'out of date' compared to current products, but they're still perfectly capable of taking decent shots, so not 'out of date' in that respect.
Not something I tend to worry about too often, to be honest.
Dan
Indeed , I should have learned from other websites that one does tend to get "jumped on" if one isnt careful what they say. I will make of point restricting my posting to things I am more qualified to talk about
Well, to be fair, it's not about grammar, it was more of an apparent 180 degree shift in opinion, then back again when you agreed with Mike.
I'm sure you were actually agreeing with the third paragraph of John's post, but it was just unfortunate that it could be taken out of context.
I suppose both points of view are valid anyway - the technology may be 'out of date' compared to current products, but they're still perfectly capable of taking decent shots, so not 'out of date' in that respect.
Not something I tend to worry about too often, to be honest.
Dan
Body: K7 of course !!
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
Lenses: DA18-55WR,DA50-200WR,FA50-1.4
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It can overexpose slightly on scenes with very bright highlights, but only by 2 thirds of a stop at most, which can easily be dialled out using EV compensation.
The last half dozen shots on my Flickr were taken with my adaptall Mike.