Warbirds at North Weald

RobE17
Posted 26/05/2010 - 15:31 Link
A couple of photos taken at North Weald in April when they held a warbirds event. Not billed as an airshow but a good day out all the same although the weather was a bit of a let down

Taken with a K-7 and a Tamron 17-50 which I purchased the week before S/H.

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Rob
Anvh
Posted 26/05/2010 - 17:23 Link
Beautiful birds, there is nothing better than the lines of a spitfire.

Is the first photo also a spitfire, an early model maybe?

Too bad of the gray weather btw
Stefan
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Hardgravity
Posted 26/05/2010 - 17:57 Link
It certainly is Stefan, I just can't remember which model, I think it's a Mk 22 variant.

I could be(and probably am) wrong.
Cheers, HG

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Edited by Hardgravity: 26/05/2010 - 17:58
RobE17
Posted 26/05/2010 - 18:49 Link
Hardgravity wrote:
It certainly is Stefan, I just can't remember which model, I think it's a Mk 22 variant.

I could be(and probably am) wrong.
Well done for trying both of you

It's a Supermarine Seafire Mk.XVII SX336/G-KASX
Anvh
Posted 26/05/2010 - 18:54 Link
The canopy looked strange, it's so round and that's why I had a problem with it.
Well learned something today
Stefan
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Oggy
Posted 26/05/2010 - 19:40 Link
RobE17 wrote:
Hardgravity wrote:
It certainly is Stefan, I just can't remember which model, I think it's a Mk 22 variant.

I could be(and probably am) wrong.
Well done for trying both of you

It's a Supermarine Seafire Mk.XVII SX336/G-KASX
I was going to say that.

The colours are a give-away. The grey is so that it would blend into the sea when viewed from above.

HG has the right mark for the teardrop canopy on the Spitfire. It was the later models which had it.
Hardgravity
Posted 26/05/2010 - 21:50 Link
Thanks Oggy, I knew it was a Griffin powered one but I tend to get a little lost after the Mk.IX.

Must get that book out again sometime....

....if I can find it!

Oh yes, the Seafire was just a Spit with a hook, originally, by this point the airframe and undercarriage had been beefed up to cope with deck landings. Apart from that it's just another beautiful Spitfire variant.
Cheers, HG

K110+DA40, K200+DA35, K3 and a bag of lenses, bodies and other bits.

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Edited by Hardgravity: 26/05/2010 - 21:52
pentaxian450
Posted 26/05/2010 - 22:35 Link
The bubble canopy was introduced to improve rearward visibility, hence it improved the survival odds. It also caused a reduction of "wet" area behind the center of pressure, hence decreasing yaw stability. So, the rudder and fin area was increased to compensate. That then increased the weight at the far end of the lever, decreasing pitch rate.

So, to simplify everything, when you have a sound design like the Spitfire, it is really very hard to improve on it.

The best Spitfires were the Mk. V and Mk. IX versions. After that, every increase in HP was met with an increase in weight that almost defeated the "improvements" that were applied.
Yves (another one of those crazy Canucks)
Anvh
Posted 26/05/2010 - 23:09 Link
I was talking about the front window, that's round. I believe non of the spitfires had that. Just looked up some photos of various models and couldn't find one at least.

Could the seafire also fold her wings or not?
Stefan
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Edited by Anvh: 26/05/2010 - 23:18
Hardgravity
Posted 27/05/2010 - 07:59 Link
I think the curved screen was part of the re-designed cockpit, as for folding wings, I believe the seafire did have them on later models, it was just the wing tip on early ones that folded,AFAIK.
Cheers, HG

K110+DA40, K200+DA35, K3 and a bag of lenses, bodies and other bits.

Mustn't forget the Zenits, or folders, or...

PPG entries.
i-Berg
Posted 27/05/2010 - 09:10 Link
Hardgravity wrote:
Apart from that it's just another beautiful Spitfire variant.
Is there any other sort?
Greytop
Posted 27/05/2010 - 18:55 Link
pentaxian450 wrote:
The best Spitfires were the Mk. V and Mk. IX versions. After that, every increase in HP was met with an increase in weight that almost defeated the "improvements" that were applied.
100% agree.....

and moving the subject sideways slightly, lovely though the Merlin marks sound I don't think anything beats the sound of a Griffon Spitfire at full bore

Nice images Rob
Regards Huw

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pentaxian450
Posted 27/05/2010 - 23:34 Link
Greytop wrote:
pentaxian450 wrote:
The best Spitfires were the Mk. V and Mk. IX versions. After that, every increase in HP was met with an increase in weight that almost defeated the "improvements" that were applied.
100% agree.....

and moving the subject sideways slightly, lovely though the Merlin marks sound I don't think anything beats the sound of a Griffon Spitfire at full bore

Nice images Rob
Did you ever hear a Lockheed P-38 Lightning at full throttle for take-off?

That would make you forget the Griffon. The P-38 has two "Americanized" Merlin built by Packard. You hear that once and you never forget it.
Yves (another one of those crazy Canucks)
darlene
Posted 28/05/2010 - 01:33 Link
I like the second photo...great detail on those planes..
Greytop
Posted 28/05/2010 - 08:42 Link
pentaxian450 wrote:


Did you ever hear a Lockheed P-38 Lightning at full throttle for take-off?

That would make you forget the Griffon. The P-38 has two "Americanized" Merlin built by Packard. You hear that once and you never forget it.
I thought the discussion was about Spitfires (and Seafires)
But I guess yes the P-38 would sound nice, not quite as majestic as a Lancaster on take off though
Regards Huw

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Edited by Greytop: 28/05/2010 - 08:42

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