Studio Triggers - Hahnel Combi / Pocket Wizard X


cardiffgareth

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 11:57
So I was looking at upgrading my triggers as I'm good for the speedlights but not for my new studio strobes.

They came with Hahnel TF Combi triggers for Canon but the receiver doesn't have the lead to plug into the strobe.

Does anyone know, as the sender that sits in the hotshoe is Canon dedicated so the pins are there for Canon TTL, is that safe to use on the Pentax? Will the dedicated pins damage the camera?

Asking as if it's best I'll sell them on before buying the lead.

Downside is the only trigger I can see that's suitable for Pentax and studio strobes is the Pocket Wizard X and they're not that cheap!
Gareth
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Chrism8

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 12:18
Hi Gareth,

I don't k now if this helps you or not, but I recently used a Nikon speedlight ( SB600 I think ) on my Pentax K1 hotshoe ( only cos I didn't own a flashgun ) for a badger shoot, I was shooting in manual and it worked perfectly.
Chris

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Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 14:22
Per my Commlite triggers manual:

"It is possible to use the H-430 Canon type as a Nikon type and vice versa if needed, but some functionality may be lost (such as TTL pass thru and flash wakeup)."

That said I've used my Nikon Commlite transceiver on Pentax, but I've never used my Canon one on Pentax (only on a flash meter).

Do some Google'ing and you see that TTL info to the flash and flash wakeup are sent via these extra pins, doubt you'll use or need these features.

Nikon and Pentax pin-outs are same/similar (diameter of pins vary, so maybe not 100% of cases) but uses of pins are different.

Canon and Pentax (and hence Nikon) pin-outs are different, and you'll probably find extra pins will miss unless they are large ones.
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cardiffgareth

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 14:34
Thanks both, I may just air on the side of caution as I don't want to fry my camera and sell them on.

Anyone know a cheaper alternative to Pocket Wizards ?!
Gareth
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Chrism8

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 15:07
Hi Gareth, for my studio strobes, I use cheap Chinese triggers purchased from linkdelight, Google them, I've had no problems in 8 plus years of really good use. I pay about 10 per trigger / receiver set and have several of us shoot together as long as we don't pinch each others light 😆
Chris

www.chrismillsphotography.co.uk

" A Hangover is something that occupies the Head you neglected to use the night before".

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K1 - Pentax 100 Macro F2.8 - Sigma 85mm F1.4, Pentax 150 -450 F4.5 / 5.6

Pentax FA 24 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 100-300 F4, Samyang 14mm F2.8, Sigma 70-200 F2.8,

K5iis - Sigma 17 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 70 - 300 F3.5/F5.6, Sigma 18 - 200 F3.6 / F4.5.

stub

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 15:34
I will confirm what Chris8 says. I use the cheap. Under a tenner sender & reciever to fire my Bowens studio strobes,,, The strobes are manual. Ive had no problems in 3 years. You do have to purchase a seperate sync cable for the strobe but these also are pennies... Pocket wizards couldnt work any better..

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Channel-Wireless-Speedlite-Receiver-Transmitter/dp/B00K...
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McGregNi

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 15:55
It's not something I've done, but I thought you had Cactus V6 transceivers Gareth? I think they have a sync port, so with the right cable you may be able to place or attach the V6 near the strobe .... ?

You won't get remote power control that way however, just simple triggering. But you'd be able to use the group controls to turn individual lights on and off from the camera.

How many lights are you needing to trigger?
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Last Edited by McGregNi on 30/09/2016 - 15:59

Chrism8

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 16:37
stub wrote:
I will confirm what Chris8 says. I use the cheap. Under a tenner sender & reciever to fire my Bowens studio strobes,,, The strobes are manual. Ive had no problems in 3 years. You do have to purchase a seperate sync cable for the strobe but these also are pennies... Pocket wizards couldnt work any better..

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Channel-Wireless-Speedlite-Receiver-Transmitter/dp/B00K...

If you use the ones supplied by Link Delight, they come supplied with the cable these are the ones I've had years of good use from
Chris

www.chrismillsphotography.co.uk

" A Hangover is something that occupies the Head you neglected to use the night before".

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K1 - Pentax 100 Macro F2.8 - Sigma 85mm F1.4, Pentax 150 -450 F4.5 / 5.6

Pentax FA 24 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 100-300 F4, Samyang 14mm F2.8, Sigma 70-200 F2.8,

K5iis - Sigma 17 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 70 - 300 F3.5/F5.6, Sigma 18 - 200 F3.6 / F4.5.
Last Edited by Chrism8 on 30/09/2016 - 16:38

cardiffgareth

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 16:42
Thanks all, I'll relook at the Chinese triggers.

Nigel no, I didn't buy the Cactus triggers, I bought the Yongnuo 560VI flash and 560Tx wireless controller.

I don't need to be able to adjust the power, just trigger them, they're studio strobes and all studio work is done in full manual. I've got 3 strobes, 2 x 300w units and a monster 600w unit so it'll be a maximum of 3 heads depending on the lighting set up.
Gareth
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pink

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 17:30
Gareth I have some expensive trigger and when they let me down I bought the cheep Chinese one's .

to tell you the truth the Chinese one work just as well, They may not have the range of the expensive one's but for a studio they work well.

I had a studio were in winter used to suffer with damp, hence the trouble with flash heads not firing all the time.

I hope this helps
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cardiffgareth

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 17:44
Thanks James

That link you gave in the other thread had these triggers which look interesting:

http://viewfinderphotography.co.uk/ac-4ch-xb-series-radio-wireless-trigger-kit/

Interesting as they plug into the strobe power so no batteries to worry about apart from the sender in the camera!
Gareth
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pink

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 17:46
I'm pleased I could help
James
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Chrism8

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 17:54
Hi Gareth,

These might save you a Tenner a set ?
Chris

www.chrismillsphotography.co.uk

" A Hangover is something that occupies the Head you neglected to use the night before".

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K1 - Pentax 100 Macro F2.8 - Sigma 85mm F1.4, Pentax 150 -450 F4.5 / 5.6

Pentax FA 24 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 100-300 F4, Samyang 14mm F2.8, Sigma 70-200 F2.8,

K5iis - Sigma 17 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 70 - 300 F3.5/F5.6, Sigma 18 - 200 F3.6 / F4.5.

cardiffgareth

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 18:21
Thanks Chris. I'm on my phone right now and it doesn't want to open that link so I'll take a look when in front of a computer later on
Gareth
Welsh Photographer

My outfit: K1 gripped - Pentax DFA 28-105mm - Sigma 70-200mm HSM Macro - Sigma 105mm - Pentax FA 35mm f2 - Tokina 20-35mm, Sigma 50-500mm - Pentax AF 540 FGZ Ii

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layingback

Link Posted 30/09/2016 - 19:46
Back to original problem: Do you have an old hot shoe adapter, the type used to add a PC connector to a camera or a 2nd hot shoe, back in the day, when it would only have the central flash connector?

If so put that between camera hot shoe and trigger, or between PC connector and trigger, and you'll know that only the centre connector is being used.

As to the adapter cables that were missing, 3.5mm to 1/4" 'mono' adapters (M-M or F-M) are common, should be able to get them anywhere, Stereo ones would work fine too.
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