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Posted 16/07/2013 - 22:49
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If the people asking for "back to basics" You could try Manual only but allow techniques from the dark room.
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Posted 16/07/2013 - 23:23
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How about basing the rules on reversal film. No post processing at all, in or out of the camera - jpeg from the camera only, as if it were film.
E.G. No HDR, no digital filters (Analogue filters allowed), No Photoshop.
E.G. No HDR, no digital filters (Analogue filters allowed), No Photoshop.
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Posted 16/07/2013 - 23:41
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doingthebobs wrote:
How about basing the rules on reversal film. No post processing at all, in or out of the camera - jpeg from the camera only, as if it were film.
E.G. No HDR, no digital filters (Analogue filters allowed), No Photoshop.
And no cropping... You get what you take...
How about basing the rules on reversal film. No post processing at all, in or out of the camera - jpeg from the camera only, as if it were film.
E.G. No HDR, no digital filters (Analogue filters allowed), No Photoshop.
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Posted 17/07/2013 - 07:35
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We had a competition like this at our camera club, everyone was given a disposable film camera and the best 3 images put into the competition. the results were quite good. (I know it's impossible to do this here).
Posted 17/07/2013 - 08:25
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If its "back to basics" Would you also restrict the use of studio lighting ?
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Posted 17/07/2013 - 08:30
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And the camera set to factory settings and kit lens ?...jeff..
Posted 17/07/2013 - 08:33
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johnriley wrote:
So far so good, but what about Custom Image, Digital Filters, in-camera HDR....all these things we have, should they be allowed in?
No, none of that. If they have asked for "Back to basics" then give them exactly that. What's the nearest you can get to a disposable film camera .....So far so good, but what about Custom Image, Digital Filters, in-camera HDR....all these things we have, should they be allowed in?
* Kit lens set at 28mm or 28mm prime
* All settings at factory defaults
* Must be taken at ISO 100, Sunny 16
* In camera JPEGs - no RAW
* No external processing other than copying in-camera JPEG onto memory stick
Yeah, basic .......... I like that
Andrew
Posted 17/07/2013 - 08:42
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John, there are so many settings in the camera that can be adjusted before pressing the shutter release and, at your club, there must be so many different camera models, that this would seem an impossible task to administer and "police".
However, perhaps it might be possible to have a competition in which any in-camera adjustments are allowed, but images displayed must be printed or viewed directly from the camera's SD-Card, thus ruling out computer-based PP.
Philip
However, perhaps it might be possible to have a competition in which any in-camera adjustments are allowed, but images displayed must be printed or viewed directly from the camera's SD-Card, thus ruling out computer-based PP.
Philip
Posted 17/07/2013 - 09:30
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Standard kits lens at 18mm, jpg and full auto mode. That would give you the same control as a disposable camera....ie no control. Frame and press the shutter.
Posted 17/07/2013 - 09:45
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The way to minimise any external influence and make camera set up visible would be to:
1. Entries to be submitted as ex-camera JPGs or JPGs created in PDCU to make it a specific size.
2. The judge selects what he believes are the best 5 entries.
3. The 5 finalists have to submit the .PEF (Raw) file for the image by email or FTP.
4. Someone with a good knowledge of EXIF format checks the images to ensure they really are within parameters.
5. Judge reviews the 5 (or less) images and selects the winner.
1. Entries to be submitted as ex-camera JPGs or JPGs created in PDCU to make it a specific size.
2. The judge selects what he believes are the best 5 entries.
3. The 5 finalists have to submit the .PEF (Raw) file for the image by email or FTP.
4. Someone with a good knowledge of EXIF format checks the images to ensure they really are within parameters.
5. Judge reviews the 5 (or less) images and selects the winner.
Posted 17/07/2013 - 09:48
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Russ wrote:
Standard kits lens at 18mm, jpg and full auto mode. That would give you the same control as a disposable camera....ie no control. Frame and press the shutter.
What happens is someone does not have a "Kit Lens"? Standard kits lens at 18mm, jpg and full auto mode. That would give you the same control as a disposable camera....ie no control. Frame and press the shutter.
andrewk wrote:
* Kit lens set at 28mm or 28mm prime
* All settings at factory defaults
* Must be taken at ISO 100, Sunny 16
* In camera JPEGs - no RAW
* No external processing other than copying in-camera JPEG onto memory stick
Yeah, basic .......... I like that
Andrew
* Kit lens set at 28mm or 28mm prime
* All settings at factory defaults
* Must be taken at ISO 100, Sunny 16
* In camera JPEGs - no RAW
* No external processing other than copying in-camera JPEG onto memory stick
Yeah, basic .......... I like that
Andrew
And what if they do not have a 28mm prime?
Then, what about JPG quality? *, **, ***, ****? and resolution? Full or reduced?
Posted 17/07/2013 - 09:49
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Allow simple global adjustments (brightness/contrast, sharpening, cropping) of in-camera jpegs. No layers, no clever tools)
Or absolute freedom in processing from an in-camera jpeg, just to prove that RAW doesn't have to be better...
Or absolute freedom in processing from an in-camera jpeg, just to prove that RAW doesn't have to be better...
Posted 17/07/2013 - 10:17
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Gamka wrote:
Or perhaps any old standard lens (18-50, 17-50, 16-45 etc). It's not going to be easy to tie down the spec for the image. Some folks will be have better glass, others will have better have a better camera with better sensors. But i guess you can tie it down to a standard angle lens at 16-18mm, in jpg best quality and point'n'shoot full auto.
Russ wrote:
Standard kits lens at 18mm, jpg and full auto mode. That would give you the same control as a disposable camera....ie no control. Frame and press the shutter.
What happens is someone does not have a "Kit Lens"? Standard kits lens at 18mm, jpg and full auto mode. That would give you the same control as a disposable camera....ie no control. Frame and press the shutter.
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So far so good, but what about Custom Image, Digital Filters, in-camera HDR....all these things we have, should they be allowed in?
Where would you draw the line, given that we understand this competition is for the purists and those who cannot come to terms with Photoshop? What would you allow in? Would you allow cropping and sharpening afterwards?
And so on...comments welcome!