Stacked and None Stacked

Spad
Posted 11/01/2023 - 16:59 Link
I have posted a few stacked images of the moon. This lead a few people to ask or not have thought about using a stack for astro work.

So here is a Stacked and a None Stacked image.

Both have had a very similar, if not that same post processing in Photoshop.

Stacked - 50 images stacked

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None Stacked

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Exif: Pentax K3, 1/200, ISO100, Prime Focus Sky-Watcher 80mm Refractor, Neodynium and Baader Fringe Killer IR Cut Filters and Sky-Watcher Star Adventuer 2i for Tracking.
Edited by Spad: 11/01/2023 - 17:03
1stEverPentax
Posted 11/01/2023 - 17:16 Link
Minimal difference at that image size Spad...sure it will be more noticeable at a larger size.

I suspect the ability to use a proper 'tracker' has more of an impact on moonshots than stacking.

As someone mentioned on a previous thread the moon 'whizzes' across the viewfinder when imaging without a tracker as i've found out to my cost on all my moonshots!

Keep up the good spacework though...great to see. There really should be an 'Astro' category to put shots like these into.

regards

Karlo
Spad
Posted 11/01/2023 - 17:23 Link
Tracking is only really needed at very high magnification when shooting the moon. You can get just as good images without it, as long as you don't go right in. Stacking 40 or 50 images shot with a 400 or 500mm lens then crop will give you much better results.

I should point out my monitor is a 52in TV
Edited by Spad: 11/01/2023 - 17:42
MikeInDevon
Posted 11/01/2023 - 22:07 Link
Hi Spad,

I downloaded the 2 images so I could do a sort of blink switch between the two to compare and reveal differences.

This is what I think I can sees:

1) The stacked version definitely has finer details
2) The stacked version has a much smoother tonal gradation
3) The stacked version has less contrast
4) The stacked version loses some of the crater detail at the terminator

On balance I definitely prefer the stacked version.

It would be great to see higher resolution versions.

Nice work.

Cheers
Mike
1stEverPentax
Posted 11/01/2023 - 23:08 Link
Spad wrote:
Tracking is only really needed at very high magnification when shooting the moon. You can get just as good images without it, as long as you don't go right in. Stacking 40 or 50 images shot with a 400 or 500mm lens then crop will give you much better results.

I should point out my monitor is a 52in TV
That explains a lot...i'm using a 22" NEC monitor...not even full HD!
davidwozhere
Posted 12/01/2023 - 00:09 Link
I hope you don't mind me messing with your image. I unleashed Topaz A.I. on it to see if it could improve the motion blur. It appears to have done so quite well.

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MikeInDevon
Posted 12/01/2023 - 12:29 Link
I've just done a very quicl and dirty blink comparision of the stacked vs. stacked+topaz images.

The Topaz'd version does show a remarkable shapeness and contrast improvement.

Where will A.I. take us?

Mike
Spad
Posted 12/01/2023 - 18:28 Link
A WOW followed by a sharp intake of breath, and exhale of "HOW F*****G MUCH?!?!?!?" (My Yorkshire heritage kicked in!!) When I saw the price of TopazAI....

David.... could you please dial it back a tad? It's really neat what you've done, but I think the effect maybe a bit to strong for my liking.

Also guys... these are CROPS!!!

I was only working with my 80mm Refractor... it has a focal length of inly 400mm at f5. Next time the moon is out, as no clouds!!! I am going to shoot it with my 6in 750mm f5 Newtonian Reflector. None Tracked.
Edited by Spad: 12/01/2023 - 18:30
Posted 12/01/2023 - 18:38 Link
Most interesting topic. I too couldn't resist in playing with your pic Spad in Rawtherapee. Here it is in black and white but the detail is good, I have used RT to resize it, new to me as I usually use GIMP, and ticked 'Allow upscaling'.
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Lubbyman
Posted 12/01/2023 - 19:08 Link
Yes, an interesting topic. But still some way to go before an image can match this one (LINK - click on image to expand it to its full glory) .

Steve
Spad
Posted 12/01/2023 - 20:07 Link
Lubbyman wrote:
Yes, an interesting topic. But still some way to go before an image can match this one (LINK - click on image to expand it to its full glory) .

Steve
How the hell can I compete with NASA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Lubbyman
Posted 12/01/2023 - 21:34 Link
Spad wrote:
How the hell can I compete with NASA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
They were using that old fashioned stuff called film, you've got digital!!!

Steve
Spad
Posted 12/01/2023 - 22:34 Link
But they were a damn sight closer than the 240,000 miles that I am!!!1
Flan
Posted 12/01/2023 - 22:49 Link
davidwozhere wrote:
I hope you don't mind me messing with your image. I unleashed Topaz A.I. on it to see if it could improve the motion blur. It appears to have done so quite well.

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Flan
Posted 12/01/2023 - 22:54 Link
Beautiful job DavidWozHere, have a friend who is a impact survey, botanical science etc and swears by it, (topaz that is) Liked

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