Responsibility..... what are your thoughts...

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Don

Link Posted 07/04/2013 - 23:13
A model I work with sometimes made a post on social networking showing she's the victim of cyber-bullying...
I checked out the link made by another model/photographer and have realized the blog is full of vitriol, lies and malicious content... also full of copyright infringement.

I sent out the DMCA takedown notices of any images I shot that were used in this blog without consent.

The model was grateful... these scumbags are now targeting me.... with more of the same... they were doing to her.

I was sad to see she posted later that other photographers declined to help her out and enforce their copyright... to get them off that blog.

when it comes to bullying I believe that there is no such thing as "Neutral" you are either helping the victim or you're helping the bully.

My question to ya'all is this..
Would you feel responsible for how your work gets used/abused? or would you say "leave me out of it"?
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Last Edited by Don on 07/04/2013 - 23:14

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 07/04/2013 - 23:50
I'm not sure how any of my images could be used as a method of cyber-bullying, that said, I don't often work with models (I have on occasion as part of a group)...

How does the use your images help the cyber bully?
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Don

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 00:18
DaveHolmes wrote:
I'm not sure how any of my images could be used as a method of cyber-bullying, that said, I don't often work with models (I have on occasion as part of a group)...

How does the use your images help the cyber bully?

the images themselves not integral to the bullying per se, but rather... the use of the images of the model, in blog posts bashing the model. when an entire blog is dedicated to defamation of the model, then the images of the model are stolen, and the people doing the bashing are advertizing themself as Model/Photographer then it begs to be asked... do you let another photographer infringe your copyright in a blog that is set up specifically to defame or attack the subject in the images?
I for one don't want my images associated with a blog like that, any more than I'd want a portrait I shot of a child winding up on a pedofile blog, or any type of shot used in a blog of some hate group.
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Last Edited by Don on 08/04/2013 - 00:20

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 00:32
I get what your saying re: copyright of your images but by using your pictures of the model in question I'm not sure how they (the pictures) do her any harm... Surely in modeling the pictures speak for themselves... Obviously any accompanying text within the blog is another matter...
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Father Ted

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 08:44
I've answered yes. I don't see that any of my images could ever be used in that manner, but if they were, then yes; I'd like to think I wouldn't "cross the street" as-it-were.

fatspider

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 09:29
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I'm not sure how they (the pictures) do her any harm... Surely in modeling the pictures speak for themselves... Obviously any accompanying text within the blog is another matter...

I disagree Dave, the pen is mightier than the sword as they say, a few choice words can change the way the reader perceives any images that accompany it.

As for the poll, I wouldn't feel responsible but I wouldn't like my images used in that manner.
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Don

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 12:31
yes the images them selves are fine... it's the fact that they are recognizable as mine and the blog itself is nothing but hate and bullying....

even the people who made the blog went to great lengths to hide thier identities because THEY don't want to be associated with it, so why would I want to be?
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gwing

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 12:48
So there are actually two seperate conderations?

1) Whether you would be happy to have your images used on such a site and
2) Whether you are concerned that your images are identifiable and you might be mistakenly regarded as identified with the site?

Mind you, regardless of that it doesn't matter, if you own the copyright and have the means to get them taken down that is your privelege. It's just a question of whether they bother you sufficiently that it's worth the effort to do so. As I don't myself maintain copyright on my images I guess my answer to your question has to be a 'no'.

johnriley

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 12:49
If your images are being used in an inapprpriate way, why not complain to the appropriate web hosting service? If it's a blog perhaps it's part of a recognisable service who will have standards and resposibilities of their own.

For example, if it was on Flikr, you could make an abuse report to Flikr.
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Don

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 13:07
johnriley wrote:
If your images are being used in an inapprpriate way, why not complain to the appropriate web hosting service? If it's a blog perhaps it's part of a recognisable service who will have standards and resposibilities of their own.

For example, if it was on Flikr, you could make an abuse report to Flikr.

exactly the DMCA takedown notice is very effective when sent to the site host or isp...
I am just surprised that ANY photographer (mine only accounted for a few of the hundreds of stolen images on this blog) would reply to the models requests that they would not help....

I consider it a professional responsibility, and one of the MAIN reasons I retain copyright over my work is to ensure that ! I get paid when my work gets used.... and TWO... I get a say in who what where when and HOW my work gets used.
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Don

Link Posted 08/04/2013 - 13:22
fatspider wrote:
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I'm not sure how they (the pictures) do her any harm... Surely in modeling the pictures speak for themselves... Obviously any accompanying text within the blog is another matter...

I disagree Dave, the pen is mightier than the sword as they say, a few choice words can change the way the reader perceives any images that accompany it.

As for the poll, I wouldn't feel responsible but I wouldn't like my images used in that manner.

also somebody who then identifies the model or the photo and immediately associates the person or image with the hateful things in the blog...

even gossip tablets and crappy magazines pay for using photos.... this material is all stolen!
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Don

Link Posted 09/04/2013 - 01:19
I suceeded in getting ALL three of my images, off that blog with dcma takedown notices.... COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT is serious !
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