Question

Oggy
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:24 Link
mikew wrote:
Taking Wikipedia as any sort of gospel seems dangerous to me. I'm pretty sure I'd trust John over Wiki on this as I know he has a wealth of experience and knowledge while I know nothing whatsoever about the Wiki contributors.

But that is a personal value judgement.

At this point can I just say I don't give a s**t what the definition is technically or in a dictionary sense - some lenses at some apertures in some circumstances deliver a really nice OOF background. Others don't.

So why don't we just take some photos?

Mike
I share your reservations about Wiki or indeed any other internet site as a rigorous source of information, but I had an interesting conversation with with our tame Professor at work.

Some say he has no birthday and that on a full moon he grows to twice his height.

All we know is that he is called---

Roy

He actually accepts most of Wiki as sound.
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johnriley
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:26 Link
Sorry Stefan, that was one step too far from the path.....
mikew
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:28 Link
Oggy I have no idea what you're talking about - who the hell is Roy? I assume it's a reference to something that's passed me by

I dare say much of Wiki is sound but it's not gospel and they are self appointed experts.

Mike
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Anvh
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:31 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
Thus is the language debased - made fuzzy. We really need a new word for the whole OOFB subject, so I humbly submit for your consideration the term Boof; as in: "this lens has great Boof - the background is really creamy".
Boof isn't advisable George it has some vulgar urban meanings, google it and look for ubandictonary if you want to know them.
Like said vulgar so don't blame me

Sorry for writing them down here btw, you were luckily very quick to remove them.

There already is a word for the out of focus blur btw.
Defocus aberration
Stefan
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Anvh
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:33 Link
johnriley wrote:
Sorry Stefan, that was one step too far from the path.....
Yes sorry for writing them down, just came to me I better shouldn't and was already on the way to delete but you were faster
Sorry once again and thank you John.
Stefan
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johnriley
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:35 Link
That's OK, Stefan, we have to remember there is a wide range of ages on this forum.
Best regards, John
Malo1961
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:37 Link
Want to have some fun everybody??? Let's ask the next competition winner to set BOKEH as next weeks assignment. That should be entertaining.

Martin.
Best regards,

Martin.


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Oggy
Posted 29/06/2009 - 22:51 Link
mikew wrote:
Oggy I have no idea what you're talking about - who the hell is Roy? I assume it's a reference to something that's passed me by

I dare say much of Wiki is sound but it's not gospel and they are self appointed experts.

Mike
Please re-read my post. If all is not clear, I will explain.
RR
Posted 29/06/2009 - 23:03 Link
Well that's clear as mud then...

Does anyone know how Bokeh is pronounced ?


George Lazarette
Posted 29/06/2009 - 23:05 Link
Anvh wrote:

Boof isn't advisable George it has some vulgar urban meanings, google it and look for ubandictonary if you want to know them.
What an out-of-touch innocent I am!

But I have to say that "defocus aberration" doesn't really have much of a ring to it, apart from being two words (assuming that "defocus" is a word. I might accept it as verb, but hardly as an adjective).

So the search is on for a suitable monniker which is free of vulgar undertones but sufficiently precise in meaning to confound Unlocker and his anarchistic view of language.

By the way, Unlocker, a word can only mean what its speaker intends if the hearer knows the speaker's intention. Otherwise, it will have two meanings, and if a word is not understood, the speaker has failed. Now I know that some words are known to have more than one meaning, but the wise speaker ensures that the meaning he intends is clear to his audience.

G
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edumad
Posted 30/06/2009 - 00:14 Link
RR wrote:
Well that's clear as mud then...
Does anyone know how Bokeh is pronounced ?
Are you insane, you want to open another can of worms...
(For those who dont know this is also another disputed issue)

How come this develops such an argument? Shouldnt we save our passion for camera brand discussions?

iceblinker
Posted 30/06/2009 - 00:30 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
the wise speaker ensures that the meaning he intends is clear to his audience.
That's what I said.

iceblinker wrote:
If the reader doesn't understand what was meant then the author has to use different or more words. This will need to be the case with "bokeh" until everyone uses it to mean the same thing, if that ever happens.
~Pete
mikew
Posted 30/06/2009 - 07:08 Link
Oggy wrote:
mikew wrote:
Oggy I have no idea what you're talking about - who the hell is Roy? I assume it's a reference to something that's passed me by

I dare say much of Wiki is sound but it's not gospel and they are self appointed experts.

Mike
Please re-read my post. If all is not clear, I will explain.
Still bats me. Only Roy I can think of is Roy Rogers?

Mike
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terje-l
Posted 30/06/2009 - 08:23 Link
Why must everything have a scientific explanation? To me, a good bokeh is an out-of-focus background that makes a pleasant backdrop for the subject. The opposite would be a background with distracting details or colours.
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johnriley
Posted 30/06/2009 - 08:39 Link
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How come this develops such an argument?
This isn't an argument, it's a discussion that is slowly bringing out the information we need.

Although I suppose technically, as we might say, "So your argument is then....." then we all present our argument for a particular point.

Perhaps I should say it's not a confrontational argument, which is something else altogether and not a good thing.
Best regards, John

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