Processors

Snoops27
Posted 22/07/2014 - 15:28 Link
Is the Prime M processor in the K-50 better than or just different to the Prime 11 in the K-5, II, IIs .I did read that it was more video orientated but does that mean it's deficient in other areas?
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McGregNi
Posted 22/07/2014 - 15:54 - Helpful Comment Link
As far as video goes I think the jury is out at present ... part of the new processing function of the newest cameras involves a move to 'Movie Shake' reduction, a type of processsed software based shake reduction, similar in some ways to how video editing software applies shake reduction. I'm not a user of any of these newer cameras, but there has been plenty of discussion, some recently, with some users feeling that they preferred the 'Sensor Shake' reduction (some call it 'mechanical') implemented on the earlier K5 / K7 models.

This type of SR technology, whilst possible on the latest models as they do have sensor shake reduction for photos, for some reason is not enabled on these latest cameras, the technicians having taken the view that the software (processed) type is preferable... as I said the jury's out ....

I can't comment on the Prime Processors relative capabilites, other than to say that these updates over time have generally been accepted as improvements, certainly in processing speed and allowing higher burst rates - so in general 'newer is better' applies I think.
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Edited by McGregNi: 22/07/2014 - 15:56
Snoops27
Posted 22/07/2014 - 16:02 Link
Thanks again Nigel. I knew I could count on you to give me the info I needed. I still can't decide between the K-5 and the K-5 IIs tho'. Maybe by Xmas...LOL
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McGregNi
Posted 22/07/2014 - 16:26 - Helpful Comment Link
I remember some testing that was done on the K511 / s question ....

Buts thats another matter - if you've got the money then get a K5II or s - the Autofocus is better. Any reason you've discounted the K50?
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Edited by McGregNi: 22/07/2014 - 16:26
Snoops27
Posted 22/07/2014 - 17:59 Link
I can't really give a valid reason Nigel. One thing is, although I would only ever buy the black version, the coloured ones remind me of something that came out of a Kinder egg and I think I've got a mental block as far as that is concerned. Also, I always feel as if I'm missing out if I don't get the best I can afford. BTW do you know what the difference is regarding, K50 - 22 custom functions vs K5IIs 40 custom func. And do I need all those "Scene" modes; won't using them hinder my learning? Plus, if I did want to take photography REALLY seriously, the K50 doesn't support the battery grip. Does any of that make sense or am I trying to run b4 I can walk. Oh bloomin' heck, I'm soooo confused.. LOL
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McGregNi
Posted 22/07/2014 - 19:18 - Helpful Comment Link
OK - the two models are targeted differently. The K5 series, like the K7 before it, was pitched quite highly at the 'serious enthusiest' market ... many of us here would fall comfortably into this decription. What does it mean? It means having had experience of photography and its fundamental techniques, that understanding of how to take control and what aspects of the technology will influence the final result, and how to optimise that.

This also involves personal preferences, and shooting styles, and thats where the custom settings come into it - personalising the camera for yourself or for different specific photographic situations. Do do that effectively requires the experience of what are the key issues to consider. The K5 ofers many more choices because your enthusiest will know more things that they can control.

And finally, the serious enthusiest will be thinking about each shot and wanting to take quick control over the camera - the physical levers, switches and buttons on the K5 series make this more direct and on hand.

There will not be scene modes on these 'enthusiest' models because your enthusiest will know how to optimise the settings themselves for best effect. The scene modes on the models targeted below this are designed to allow quick successful images (hopefully) where the photographer may not have instant knoweldge of how to set the aperture, ISO etc to optimise each particular type of image. But you can still learn and check the settings after, and the K50 still offers manual control and all the other 'Auto Exposure' modes (aperture priority etc etc) if you want to use them. And the K50 lacks so many direct controls, again because the designer assumes that the user will not be so proactively adapting and selecting things dynamically - but rather will let the camera's electronics get on with it ....
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Edited by McGregNi: 22/07/2014 - 19:21
JohnX
Posted 22/07/2014 - 19:51 - Helpful Comment Link
Hope this doesn't come over wrong, but scene modes on the Kxx cameras are for the more casual photographer who doesn't want to get overly involved in the workings of their camera - it's point and shoot with interchangeable lenses. That said, plenty of serious togs use them too and get great results, but that's not the market sector the cameras are pitched at, hence also the plethora of colours.

More fun snapping than serious making of photographs.
Snoops27
Posted 22/07/2014 - 20:09 Link
Okay doakey, the boss(my wife), having listened to your comments has decided that (because she knows me too well), she is going to buy the 11s, for the following reason(s). Because in the past I had a couple of quite decent SLRs, a Minolta and a Canon (an AE-1)in the mid 80s,and understand exposure etc., she says that if I get the K50 by the time Xmas comes I'll be looking for an upgrade and that it would be better in the long run to just get the upgrade first, thus saving her a fair bit in the process. I'm extremely grateful for your help/advice and time. Thanks again..
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Snoops27
Posted 22/07/2014 - 20:13 Link
JohnX wrote:
Hope this doesn't come over wrong, but scene modes on the Kxx cameras are for the more casual photographer who doesn't want to get overly involved in the workings of their camera - it's point and shoot with interchangeable lenses. That said, plenty of serious togs use them too and get great results, but that's not the market sector the cameras are pitched at, hence also the plethora of colours.

More fun snapping than serious making of photographs.
Thanks John. If you read my reply to Nigel you'll see what has been decided for me. LOL.
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McGregNi
Posted 22/07/2014 - 20:15 Link
It all makes sense - if you see yourself in that 'serious' category, and you want to use and learn about the camera and get the absolute most out of your photography, then yes, you might 'grow out of' the K50 failly soon. Good luck finding your new camera!
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Edited by McGregNi: 22/07/2014 - 20:15
jemx99
Posted 23/07/2014 - 10:16 Link
Get the best camera you can afford is good advice. However I don't think you would grow out of the K50 soon. I have been taking photo's for over 40 years - my first SLR was a Zenith B - it didn't even have a light meter - my K30 has enough settings to keep me going for a long long time. I wonder how many settings people actually adjust on a regular basis anyhow?
richandfleur
Posted 23/07/2014 - 11:22 Link
jemx99 wrote:
my K30 has enough settings to keep me going for a long long time. I wonder how many settings people actually adjust on a regular basis anyhow?
I too have a K-30 and feel the same way. I find I'm getting annoyed with the video limitations of this model, but photo wise I really would question exactly what it is the camera can't do for the end user. Given the price difference you could almost have two K-30's for the price of some newer models.

I'm not saying it's the flagship model, but I do know it's actually potentially closer in practical specification than perhaps some give it credit for. I mean short of aspects like autofocus (of which the K-30 isn't actually that bad) you've still only ever got shutter speed, ISO and aperture to play with regardless of the camera model.
Edited by richandfleur: 23/07/2014 - 11:23
McGregNi
Posted 23/07/2014 - 15:37 Link
Its a bit difficult to agree with that really Richard. You're only dealing with the key photographic parameters, and yes, those are all easily adjustable on each model. But the Pentax 'flagship' models (starting with the K7 body, then K5 / K5II / K3) are designed with extra 'direct access' controls for the most convenient physical application in the field - eg levers for autofocus points, MF/AF.S/Af.C, metering modes, the control panel via the info button (OK, does the K30 have that? - not sure...)

Also the more extensive custom settings allow more precise control over how the camera responds - and these sort of detailed options are more the things your further advanced photographer might consider. Also the Battery grips are an important extra accessory - again an element of customisation, personal choice - for me it gives much needed grip and stability, the portrait shooting controls and the extra power for those extended shoots - again, all the sort of stuff that appeals to the more demanding photographer.

These are all aspects to consider when assessing your own photographic aims, skills, and equipment needs ... oh, and then your bank balance! (Or do I really mean credit card limit? )
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Edited by McGregNi: 23/07/2014 - 15:39
RussV
Posted 23/07/2014 - 15:55 Link
McGregNi wrote:
But the Pentax 'flagship' models (starting with the K7 body, then K5 / K5II / K3) are designed with extra 'direct access' controls for the most convenient physical application in the field - eg levers for autofocus points, MF/AF.S/Af.C, metering modes, the control panel via the info button
Started with K10
RussV
Posted 23/07/2014 - 16:01 Link
richandfleur wrote:
jemx99 wrote:
my K30 has enough settings to keep me going for a long long time. I wonder how many settings people actually adjust on a regular basis anyhow?
II'm not saying it's the flagship model, but I do know it's actually potentially closer in practical specification than perhaps some give it credit for. I mean short of aspects like autofocus (of which the K-30 isn't actually that bad) you've still only ever got shutter speed, ISO and aperture to play with regardless of the camera model.
On paper the essential picture taking specs are pretty similar between a K5II and a K30.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Pentax-K-30-vs-Pentax-K-5-II
Edited by RussV: 23/07/2014 - 16:02

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