Portrait lighting 2nd attempt

derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 00:02 Link
Hi folks, after the advice and tips from my first attempt here are a few from this evening, to be honest i struggled with this, a kind of a mix between ideas of what to try to portray and limitations of equipment (lighting and reflectors)The first time i had a fairly clear idea of what i wanted. This time i was just trying to use the advice i was given, and struggled a bit. Could do with some advice on direction what to ask of subjects/models/daughters.
CC really is most welcome as i am kinda floating in the breeze here.
Taken with K5 and Da*50-135 F2.8

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I know what i like, If not always why.
johnriley
Posted 17/11/2013 - 00:06 Link
To be honest I think you've taken a step backwards with those. The originals had a sparkle and one in particular was different and classy. They have now turned to ordinary by comparison.

Keep going, you could carve out a style if you keep being innovative like this. Push the boundaries.
Best regards, John
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 00:19 Link
Thanks John. nothing wrong with being honest, i know myself that these are different in a bad way.
Honesty from others is the only way i will learn.
Thanks for confirming what i could see for myself.

Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.
Posted 17/11/2013 - 10:39 Link
Take no notice, these are an improvement, the last one in particular, my fave of this set would benefit from a vignette, this would direct eyes towards your daughters face and her beautiful eyes
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 11:13 Link
Glowingblue wrote:
Take no notice, these are an improvement, the last one in particular, my fave of this set would benefit from a vignette, this would direct eyes towards your daughters face and her beautiful eyes
Thanks for the comment. Not sure what a vignette is. Is it to do with the lighting or in photoshop.
Clueless here.
Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.
Posted 17/11/2013 - 11:17 Link
Basically just darkening all corners to a greater or lesser degree, in case in question it is the two bottom corners I would darken. Yes, you can achieve this in PS or most photo editing applications
derek897 wrote:
Glowingblue wrote:
Take no notice, these are an improvement, the last one in particular, my fave of this set would benefit from a vignette, this would direct eyes towards your daughters face and her beautiful eyes
Thanks for the comment. Not sure what a vignette is. Is it to do with the lighting or in photoshop.
Clueless here.
Derek
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 11:17 Link
cardiff_gareth wrote:
Your hair light is too strong and turned (his?) hair blonde, like a badger style! It needs moving as it's not defining the whole hair outline. The main light also needs work as it's flat, especially the 2nd shot and the last has harsh shadows.

If the hair light was via a hotshoe flashgun on slave or wireless trigger I would adjust the heads zoom slightly or ideally if it has one pull out the wide angle diffuser to spread the light more and then experiment with toning the power down.

Your main light, what are you shooting with? Do you go through a light modifier and where are you positioning it?
My setup is very limited. I now have 2 small lights and my af 360fgz with a home made mod on it. After that it's mirrors and polystyrene.
Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.
Posted 17/11/2013 - 11:20 Link
Image cropped, eyes brightened and vignette added.

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derek897 wrote:
Glowingblue wrote:
Take no notice, these are an improvement, the last one in particular, my fave of this set would benefit from a vignette, this would direct eyes towards your daughters face and her beautiful eyes
Thanks for the comment. Not sure what a vignette is. Is it to do with the lighting or in photoshop.
Clueless here.
Derek
Pentaxophile
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:02 Link
Glowingblue wrote:
Take no notice, these are an improvement, the last one in particular, my fave of this set would benefit from a vignette, this would direct eyes towards your daughters face and her beautiful eyes
Agreed. The last one is nicest. I think the mono conversion work well, takes out the inconsistent colours of your various light sources. The hair light is too strong but it shows you are progressing and refining your technique even if you're not 100% there yet.
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:02 Link
Glowingblue yes I can see that is much better already. I like what you've done with it. I must have a little play with it also
Thanks for taking the time to do that and post it. As without seeing it I wouldn't have known what you meant.
Thanks again
Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.
Pentaxophile
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:02 Link
I like her expression best in no. 2 though.
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:06 Link
Thank you Derek.

Karl Weaver
derek897 wrote:
Glowingblue yes I can see that is much better already. I like what you've done with it. I must have a little play with it also
Thanks for taking the time to do that and post it. As without seeing it I wouldn't have known what you meant.
Thanks again
Derek
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:07 Link
cardiff_gareth wrote:
Small lights as in studio flash heads / continuous studio lights / household lamps??

Are you using your hotshoe flash for the main light it the hair light? Where are you positioning it? On camera / off camera, bounced / direct?

What's your home made light modifier? beauty dish?
I have one small continuous studio light one household lamp and the mod for my flash is a homemade beauty dish. Oh and I have one light stand.
I didn't use the flash on this lot. Where as I did on the first set.
Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:11 Link
Me too.
Might tweak it a bit as well.
Thanks
Derek
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I like her expression best in no. 2 though.
I know what i like, If not always why.
derek897
Posted 17/11/2013 - 12:13 Link
cardiff_gareth wrote:
Just going through your past created threads and your first attempt at studio lighting, that 2nd shot was really nice! The others suffered from shadows on the face. Lighting high up or low down will produce shadows over the face. That's not to say you shouldn't, just make sure you fill in the shadows in the form of a reflector or other suitably toned down low power light source. Did you get that lighting equipment for your motorbike then??
No I still haven't done anything about that yet.
I bought the light and stand for €20.
Must try and get more. As it's a struggle trying to angle mirrors.
Derek
I know what i like, If not always why.

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