Poll: AF Accuracy Adjustments

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Gwyn
Posted 29/10/2012 - 16:09 Link
Mannesty wrote:
Interesting results I think.

Now I'd like to know how many of those who voted "Never Checked", have now checked, and whether or not they have had to make any adjustments.
I never checked, and still haven't. Nor am I likely to.
DrOrloff
Posted 29/10/2012 - 16:22 Link
Ditto.
Aleks1298
Posted 29/10/2012 - 19:21 Link
Checked and needed -120 with debug from PK Tether on all of the lenses
johnriley
Posted 29/10/2012 - 19:37 Link
Aleks1298 wrote:
Checked and needed -120 with debug from PK Tether on all of the lenses
Then if all the lenses are the same, perhaps this indicates a fault with the camera?
Best regards, John
Aleks1298
Posted 29/10/2012 - 21:31 Link
Thanks John, I have had this suspicion for a while now, but been lazy with finding a good repair shop and dreading dealing with insurance again

Cheers
Pentax K-5 and co.
Horst
Posted 01/11/2012 - 09:20 Link
After reading all the previous posts, I started to worry.

I have only Pentax lenses (and a few home made manual focus).
I have to assume, that Pentax should be good, or smart enough to make all the auto focus lenses to fit the camera bodies they sell with it.
There must be some adjustments in the lenses to make the accurate enough to focus correctly.

However, I can not quite see why it should be the fault of a lens, if the camera does not focus correctly. At some setting of the focus ring, the image of any lens will be sharp and the camera should set the focus to the sharpest part.
For example: If lens a focuses an object with a distance of 3 meter and the focussing ring shows 3 exactly, but another lens shows 3.1 meter, who cares, as long as the camera finds the sharpest spot.

If it does not, then there must be something amiss with the cameras focussing ability and not with the lens

Regards, Horst
pgweber
Posted 01/11/2012 - 09:48 Link
milamber wrote:
edit: Just noticed the although the ruler is perfectly in focus at the 75 mark with what appears to be perfect fade into OOF either side, the carpet is sharply in focus for the 2cm or so in front of the 75. Is that right - sort of thought it would be the 1cm either side of the 75 that would be in focus?
Remember that points off centre but nearer to the camera than the 75cm mark will be the same distance from the centre of the lens as the 75cm mark on the central axis - think triangles and Pythagoras theorem.

The height of the ruler above the carpet is relevant too as noted by another poster.

And no, I have not checked any of my lenses but feel that I ought to sometime (responded to poll).

Is it that the debug/menu adjustments have the same effect as positioning a shim between camera mount and lens to compensate for manufacturing tolerances?
Peter

Pentax K5
Pentax DA 18-55 Mk1, 50-200 (Samsung), 16-45, 55-300 Mk1, 35 f/2.4
Pentax MZ6 + FA28-90, FA50 f/1.4, M 50 f/1.7
Tamron 80-210mm & 28mm
Edited by pgweber: 01/11/2012 - 09:51
Mannesty
Posted 01/11/2012 - 10:37 Link
pgweber wrote:
Is it that the debug/menu adjustments have the same effect as positioning a shim between camera mount and lens to compensate for manufacturing tolerances?
Something like that, except you can add a negative thickness shim using the in-camera adjustment, which would of course be impossible in real life without the aid of a file/grinder.

There probably are ways to adjust the lenses themselves if it could be proved that the lens was at fault, but another poster suggests that one lens requires different adjustments depending on which camera it is mounted.

That would suggest to me that the camera focussing mechanism is at fault, hence the availability of the adjustment in the first place.
Peter E Smith - flickr Photostream
Mannesty
Posted 05/11/2012 - 18:38 Link
I've just received a Sigma 70-200mm 1:2.8 EX DG OS HSM lens from those nice people in Watford. It needed -9 AF adjustment to correct for front focussing at 200mm.

To be fair, I made the adjustment under artificial light and with flash. I'll repeat the adjustment tomorrow in daylight.

I nearly wrote sunlight then, I don't want to upset anybody so I changed it to daylight.
Peter E Smith - flickr Photostream
Edited by Mannesty: 05/11/2012 - 18:39
Smeggypants
Posted 05/11/2012 - 20:57 Link
Mannesty wrote:
pgweber wrote:
Is it that the debug/menu adjustments have the same effect as positioning a shim between camera mount and lens to compensate for manufacturing tolerances?
Something like that, except you can add a negative thickness shim using the in-camera adjustment, which would of course be impossible in real life without the aid of a file/grinder.

There probably are ways to adjust the lenses themselves if it could be proved that the lens was at fault, but another poster suggests that one lens requires different adjustments depending on which camera it is mounted.

That would suggest to me that the camera focussing mechanism is at fault, hence the availability of the adjustment in the first place.
It's nothing to do with shimming between the lens and the camera. The adjustment is there to compensate for the differences in distance between the AF sensor and the main sensor.

This explains the light paths ....


http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs178/applets/autofocusPD.html
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Smeggypants
Posted 05/11/2012 - 20:59 Link
Gwyn wrote:
Mannesty wrote:
Interesting results I think.

Now I'd like to know how many of those who voted "Never Checked", have now checked, and whether or not they have had to make any adjustments.
I never checked, and still haven't. Nor am I likely to.
Why not? Only takes a minute
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
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