Photo Critique

Smeggypants
Posted 19/07/2011 - 15:20 Link
nanhi wrote:
Many Pentaxian Users post photos in this esteemed Forum so that they can get constructive criticism, feedback on improvements and above all encouragement to improve their photography.
But comments like "LOVELY, GREAT, BEAUTIFUL, STUNNING ... blah, blah, etc"
do no good.
Pentaxian PROS, pseudo PROS and those of us with flashy DSLR's who think they have become PROS, make no contribution towards enhancing photography skills or techniques with such comments.
PROS, PROS, PROS ???

Your issue with PROS aside, I have no desire to be a 'pro' whatsoever. I take pics for fun and fun only.

I think it's a shame to take pics and just store them out of sight on your hard drive so I like to share them with anyone who fancies a look.

I believe that if you put yourself or your work on a public stage then you give permission for comment whether that's "Lovely photo!" or a detailed constructive appraisal.

I'm equally happy for people to say lovely/crappy photo or them give detail on why they think it's lovely or crappy.

I'm also equally happy for people just to look at them and say nothing. And hopefully they got some enjoyment out of them.

I disagree with comments like "Stunning", Lovely" etc 'doing no good'.

If you post a set of say, 6 pics and a few replies all say "Lovely, My favourites are #2 and #4, then it's upto you to think for yourself and work out why pics #2 and #6 are the most popular. if you can't work out why yourself then ask.

I regularly look through people's photos here. Sometimes I just want a relaxed browse the enjoy the pics and I'll say something like 'lovely pics' as a recognition I've looked and thanks to the person posting them. Other times I'll say which one's are my favourites.

Other times I will offer some detailed appraisal if I'm feeling upto it and I think a pic has [potential to be improved with different cropping or post pro, etc.

Whatever, it's all good.

What you cannot do is demand or expect that people respond to your pics in a certain way
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japers45
Posted 19/07/2011 - 17:33 Link
Lovely stunning post- I particularly like the use of capital letters in line four and you've absolutlely nailed it spelling wise.

I do like the colour of the text too- of course that could just be my monitor.
Northgrain
Posted 19/07/2011 - 17:44 Link
japers45 wrote:
Lovely stunning post- I particularly like the use of capital letters in line four and you've absolutlely nailed it spelling wise.

I do like the colour of the text too- of course that could just be my monitor.
Don
Posted 19/07/2011 - 17:48 Link
japers45 wrote:
Lovely stunning post- I particularly like the use of capital letters in line four and you've absolutlely nailed it spelling wise.

I do like the colour of the text too- of course that could just be my monitor.
Best post yet! Amazing! Stunning! Love it!
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Edited by Don: 19/07/2011 - 17:48
darkskies
Posted 19/07/2011 - 17:57 Link
I wasn't going to read this thread after the OP, but I'm very glad I did. There are quite a few views here, and I generally am not keen on people saying "Wow" to a shot of mine, as I can see the faults in it myself. But if I feel my shot gets a good crack of the whip, then I'm delighted.

The reason I did read this thread, eventually, is that I will be critiquing my first comp, the fortnightly that finishes tomorrow evening. Does this fill me with dread? Not really, because this post, below, by John, describes exactly what I'll be doing.

Cheers, DS

johnriley wrote:
The thing is, we don't criticise the person, we appraise the image.

If I'm judging a competition, the first thing is that there's a lot to enjoy and celebrate in the efforts people put into their images. Finding the good things is a good place to start as it identifies the strengths that can be worked on and developed.

Then we can find ways that the less good points can be improved. In this way, we can be helpful, encouraging and avoid being insulting.

There's nothing worse than shattering a beginner's confidence by trashing their work. The thing to do is encourage their skills and help them improve.

Doing an appraisal isn't easy for everyone, but we can all pass an opinion that may well be helful to the photographer.
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cabstar
Posted 19/07/2011 - 19:59 Link
When I have studied art classes one of the items we where taught is how to defend your work, if someone doesn't like something in your work, then explain why its there. then the person criticizing may come up round to your way of thinking. Art is very subjective.

when I comment on photos i always say what I do & what I don't like & why I don't or do like.

Sometimes I see an image that can only be tagged as amazing...

If an image does not impress me at all then I would rather not comment at all, everything in balance for me...
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ChrisR
Posted 19/07/2011 - 20:41 Link
Many years ago, I was on one of the activity type management courses, did not get a lot out of it, but one comment stuck with me.

That is, “you get far more out of a person by encouragement, than you do from instruction”.

I think this holds true with photography, and constructive criticism.

Take care.

Chris R.
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Smeggypants
Posted 19/07/2011 - 23:48 Link
japers45 wrote:
Lovely stunning post- I particularly like the use of capital letters in line four and you've absolutlely nailed it spelling wise.

I do like the colour of the text too- of course that could just be my monitor.
ROFL

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Smeggypants
Posted 19/07/2011 - 23:51 Link
cabstar wrote:

If an image does not impress me at all then I would rather not comment at all
yes I feel like that. Although that doesn't mean all Images I don't comment on don't impress me at all.

I like to give constructive criticism if I feel an image has potential for impreovement.

but then it's all subjective.
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johnriley
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:02 Link
Off topic posts removed.
Best regards, John
marklj
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:23 Link
I have no problems with any criticism on any of my pictures. Main reason for joining the forum was a desire to improve. Without a bit of critique theres a danger of becoming a bit stagnant. At the end of the day I'm probably more critical of my stuff than anyone else. However, I suspect I'm the same as most others who are relative newcomers to the hobby, in that I would feel a bit of an upstart (is that the right word) if I was to start offering critique to someone who has been doing this for years. There are a number of people on here whose work I think is tremendous and on most occasions I think is super, smashing or great. But sometimes I look at a picture and think " I would maybe have moved the tree over a bit" or "jings, but thats a halo and a half" but I just don't feel comfortable saying it.

If a picture gets no comments then enough said.
Edited by marklj: 20/07/2011 - 14:24
womble
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:36 Link
This thread has occurred before!

Its not what you do, but how you do it.

Example.
1.
a) The composition is dire and unbalanced.
b) Have you tried cropping a little off the top? It might make the focal point sit more comfortably in the frame?

2.
a) Its out of focus.
b) Do you think the image would have been better if you had focused on the eyes rather than the tip of his nose?

3.
a) Your exposure is wrong.
b) Shame the highlights were a little blown. Did you shoot RAW? You might be able to recover them in software.

You get the idea...

Sometimes you just have to decide that your favourite image is your favourite and not get too worried about what the rest of the world thinks. My favourite from Venice failed to get into the PPG twice and doesn't get many views on Flickr. It is still my favourite image and one day I'll get a nice big print made and stick it on my wall.

Sometimes images get stale with over-exposure. One of my images has actually sold a few copies and was made into our Christmas card last year. Now I think, "oh, that one again... Zzzzz..."

Best wishes, Kris.
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womble
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:44 Link
PS.

I ought to say that I have always assumed the gallery is for people to place the shots they like and "Your images" is for C&C. I tend to limit myself to bland 'nice shot' type comments in the gallery (for those that I think are nice shots of course) and keep C&C for here. I don't especially check my shots in the gallery for comments, just the ones I post here.

K.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
johnriley
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:50 Link
You can comment all you like in the Gallery or in the Forum. It's easier to post in the Gallery and it was provided for the same purpose as the Forum.

You should check your images as there are lots of comments posted throughout the Gallery. The more the better!
Best regards, John
Crossed-up
Posted 20/07/2011 - 14:55 Link
womble wrote:
PS.

I ought to say that I have always assumed the gallery is for people to place the shots they like and "Your images" is for C&C. I tend to limit myself to bland 'nice shot' type comments in the gallery (for those that I think are nice shots of course) and keep C&C for here. I don't especially check my shots in the gallery for comments, just the ones I post here.

K.
That's what I have always assumed too. If I post an image in this section then I assume that it will be open to C&C (which I welcome) whether I specifically ask for it or not.
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