Night scene photography


philstaff

Link Posted 07/09/2015 - 16:40
I was wondering when shooting night scenes. Is there any advantage of using a shutter release remote. Over the cameras in built self timmer. To open and close the shutter during the exposure.
Regards Ian

Chrism8

Link Posted 07/09/2015 - 17:33
Yes, the remote release will give you exposures over and above the 30 seconds most camera's will.
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Nigelk

Link Posted 07/09/2015 - 18:32
As Chris says.
I have often wondered why the limit of 30 seconds with the self timer? Surely it wouldn't be difficult to have a camera that you can dial in any length of exposure and still use the self timer. It would save having to remember a remote. Bitter experience I have forgotten mine on more than one occasion.

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McGregNi

Link Posted 07/09/2015 - 19:07
You can set mirror up in conjunction with remote control release, so first press raises the mirror .... Wait a few seconds .... Squint your eyes ..... Tighten lips together ..... Hold your breath .... Then press again to take the shot.
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richandfleur

Link Posted 07/09/2015 - 19:57
Nigelk wrote:
As Chris says.
I have often wondered why the limit of 30 seconds with the self timer? Surely it wouldn't be difficult to have a camera that you can dial in any length of exposure and still use the self timer.

Fully agree, this seems to be a legacy limit that's just continued over the years.

Alternative is bulb mode, set to one push to start, one push to stop. I use a cheap IR remote from China to do this, and a cell phone as the timer, which also doubles as the calculator for exposure when using a 10 stop ND filter...

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WaypointCharlie

Link Posted 08/09/2015 - 13:02
Another advantage of using remote over the self timer is you can catch the moment you want, rather than catch it 3 secs too late.

Note when combining the self timer with exposure bracketing you'll get 3 sec breaks inserted between shots when set to 3 sec delay but no inter-shot delays when set to 10 sec.

I quite like using the IR remote but find it irritating that the camera doesn't respond to it when reviewing an image on the screen (unlike the shutter release button/cable). It doesn't work in Bulb mode so is limited to 30 secs. Setting IR remote mode is also a quick way of disabling shake reduction.

I wouldn't agonise about mirror flap on long exposures (or short for that matter). I'm not sure what sort of speeds it might be useful - 1/2 sec perhaps?

Gwyn

Link Posted 08/09/2015 - 13:12
My Pentax IR remote works in bulb mode! One click to open the shutter, and another to close it.

posted at the same time as Mag07
Last Edited by Gwyn on 08/09/2015 - 13:13

Mag07

Link Posted 08/09/2015 - 13:48
Haha yeah. Deleted mine lol. Thought I somehow missed a post

WaypointCharlie

Link Posted 08/09/2015 - 13:54
Interesting. It works!

I think on my previous K-5 I'd set 'Remote Control in Bulb' to Mode2, mistakenly believing Mode1 would require two presses on my cable release button.

davidwozhere

Link Posted 09/09/2015 - 00:04
Gwyn wrote:
My Pentax IR remote works in bulb mode! One click to open the shutter, and another to close it.

posted at the same time as Mag07

Well, I've learned something there -- mine does too.
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richandfleur

Link Posted 09/09/2015 - 00:31
Yep, super easy really. That combined with the internal intervalometer means you can be up and running for longer exposures for very little money really.

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You simply don't need an external trigger unless you're looking for smarter things, such as bulb ramping during a sunrise time-lapse etc.

For long exposures, often a second extra on say a 1 minute exposure, won't make that much of a difference, so you don't have to be that accurate either. As mentioned earlier, I have a free smartphone app for calculating the longer shutter/exposure time required when adding a 10 stop filter. Put those two together and you're up and running quite cheaply.

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philstaff

Link Posted 16/09/2015 - 23:27
Hi guys can someone point me in the direction to buy a shutter release to use for long exposures.

Regards Ian

davidwozhere

Link Posted 16/09/2015 - 23:51
Both IR remote and "cable" release are readily available on E bay. I've had no problems with mine
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McGregNi

Link Posted 17/09/2015 - 09:34
Just reading through this again and Richards point about not needing to be too exact with timings when it gets so long, suddenly a big word popped back into my head, one that I hadn't seen used in a very long time, but which I used to read about (and think about) a lot .....RECIPROCOCITY FAILURE!

Now that was a big worry, wasn't it ? Do we have reciprocity failure with digital now? (bye the way, I was releaved to find that my smartphone spell checker was working well. .....or was it ... ?)
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Last Edited by McGregNi on 17/09/2015 - 09:37

richandfleur

Link Posted 17/09/2015 - 09:49
McGregNi wrote:
RECIPROCOCITY

Reciprocity

And by all accounts it doesn't appear to be an issue with digital sensors, or at least not as significant as film.
Last Edited by richandfleur on 17/09/2015 - 09:52
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