more ff rumors part 2

in that case then it makes the canon 5d is only abou 10 mp on aps-c

I dont know the technicalities of it, But full frame cameras produce far less noise than crop sensor camera. In the Manchester pubs where I shoot. Lenses have to be f2.8 or even faster. On my K5ii I limit the Iso at 6400 as its unuseable beyond that. More often than not images get turn to BW as there isnt enough light for true colour definition... When the K3 came out I didnt think it that great of an upgrade over the K5ii to warrant the expense. I'm so hoping the full frame will be.... Certainly the opening signs are looking good..

Plus As reluctant as I am. if it wasnt on the horizon, I would have changed brands by now...

Well bigger sensor has bigger pixels for a given number of megapixels, so more light can be gathered per pixel, so better signal to noise ratio.

Current model EOS 5DS R; when running in full-frame is at just over 50mp, using aps-h still remains at over 30mp, and even when using aps-c still gets just under 20mp.

Even with that 20mp, it's better than any currently modeled Pentax non medium format. When the Canon is taken up to the full frame 50+mp, shall we compare it to Pentax medium format?

true but the K-5 was released in 2010, I would hope sensor technology has improved since.

That's right. They are younger pixels so will be able to see better in the dark.

That's right. They are younger pixels so will be able to see better in the dark. [/quote]But surely it's irresponsible for those young pixels to be out at late night gigs - call yourself a responsible Pentax owner !!!

I try my best to get them all back home before the witching hour....

thing its time for a pint of hobgoblin on that note

That's right. They are younger pixels so will be able to see better in the dark. [/quote]But surely it's irresponsible for those young pixels to be out at late night gigs - call yourself a responsible Pentax owner !!!

I let them sleep in late.
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pgweber wrote:


Time hasn't stood still.

The K5 is an old camera by now, With old electronics.
The later sensors and the amplifiers surely are more superior .
It is not just the sensor which contributes to noise. The amplifiers which amplify the output of each pixel, have to be low noise. This amplifiers improve all the time. the noise figures and the higher amplification required for smaller pixels (if used) are much better than 5 years ago.

Regards, Horst

Plus the photons have travelled a bit further so are more tired and have quietened down a bit.

Hard to take a photo either way with the camera turned off
EVF's mean the bright light situation is avoided.
Mirrorless cameras from other brands have a massive lens choice via adapters to any brand. K-01 had k mount, so same number of lenses.
Mirrorless doesn't need to mean less physical controls, or less stable cameras for hand holding.
Likewise weather sealing, nothing about not having a mirror means there has to be a corresponding failure in these other areas.


Exactly. It's a brave move to define yourself as only a DSLR manufacturer in todays world.

When I think of what I like about Pentax, over other brands with optical viewfinders, it's usually related to the feel of the body. WR is nice, and it complements the fact that the body feels solid. I've used equivalent price range Canikons and they felt very plastic and cheap. They worked ok, all in the same ball park output wise really, it's almost hard to find a bad camera these days, but they didn't fell very nice. I certainly wouldn't opt to pick those from a lineup that included Pentax.

I like the Pentax optical viewfinder, but I genuinely smile and think wow every time I pick up an older 35mm / FF film camera and look through that massive bright viewfinder, with the focus screen that really helps with manual focus lenses. I've never experienced that on an APS-C Pentax, and instead use focus peaking and digital zoom to nail focus on these. Having those tools in a viewfinder would be preferable to me in instances when I need them, especially though every time I manually focus a lens.

Point? I'd be careful about being proud of Pentax because it's not mirrorless. Mirrorless have some big cons at the moment, but they do have their pros also. Make one with competitive features and the classic Pentax interface and grip, and give people the option. Fundamentally they have equally in common with DSLRs than they don't, it's just a DSLR stuck in live view mode, but with Phase detect AF points on the sensor itself, and no flapping mirror or viewfinder prism. Same shutter, software, features, grip, etc...

Having used a 600mm lens on a µ4/3 mirrorless I can assure you EVFs can work just fine with long lenses. The EVF is also just as good in bright light & actually better than an OVF in very poor light.
Some mirrorless cameras have more physical controls than many DSLRs. My G5 is certainly more easily controlled than budget Canon models, and the number of controls is not far behind my K7.
There are adapters allowing EOS lenses to be used with AF on µ4/3. Add to that the native glass & numerous other MF adaptable mounts the range of lenses available outnumbers any DSLR, even without loosing AF.
I've never managed to get anywhere near a half decent photograph of flying dragonflies with my DSLRs, on the first effort I got quite a few respectable shots with a mirrorless, (actually the first generation G1) so I'm not sure your claims for response & shutter lag hold water either.

Yes I still prefer my K7 for motorsport & airshows, but for most other occasions the mirrorless win due to portability.

Mirrorless cameras do chew through batterys more than their dslr brethren, but the simple solution is to carry a few spares.
My mirrorless systems have plenty of customisable buttons so menu digging really is not an issue.
After 2 years with pretty awesome evf's i do not think i ever want to go back to an optical one, i just find them too restricting and lack the
techy advancements i have come to expect.
I really hope Pentax release a K-02 in the future with an evf.