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Greytop

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 20:16
Nigel, you probably have a point there.
However I would also say that the manager of LCE in Guildford wouldn't have had to look too far on the web to find out about the K-7, there has been quite a buzz about it
Regards Huw

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BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 20:50
Yes, but he needs to know Pentax is alive and kicking first to even look for it. Shop managers tend to be passive by nature (i.e. the nature of their business is that they wait for people to come to them) and are not as pro-active and keen to be kept abreast as we are as camera and photography enthusiasts. It sounds as though Pentax UK just aren't on the ball

If his bread and butter is Canon and Nikon and these are the ones who are always in his face he is going to pay attention to them and their promotions and new models. I asked him about the K20D since I wanted (hoped) to be able to compare a few models hands-on and although he wasn't dismissive he said "they don't really get much call for them now" and gave me the feeling he wasn't sure if Pentax was even really 'alive and well'. That's the impression he has and surely the one he imparts to his customers, so when someone is looking for a new camera is he going to steer them in the direction of a company he thinks will be around in 5 years or one where he thinks they might not be around?

With such a lot to shout about with the new model and WR lenses now is the time for Pentax to 'hit the streets' and build up their profile again. Watching the What Digital Camera video review by Nigel Atherton, he clearly thinks this is a model to be reckoned with and I think it has the potential to make a lot of people sit up and take notice of Pentax as a brand again - which is what I think it is designed to do, but they need to back it up with grass roots level awareness and promotions.
FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Anvh

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 21:02
I really think pentax have a promissing camera with the K-7, i read a lot of positieve comments from photographers that have another brand camera so hopefully they jump ship.
Also Canon seems to do his trick again. When the K20D came the 50D was delaid and came out with a sensor with more megapixels. Maybe it was not delaid because they wanted to have more pixels than Pentax but it seems strange though.
Now that the video specs are out of the K-7 and that it has full controll in video mode Canon has brought an update out for the 5D mkII so that it has full control in video mode as well. Not that they did it because Pentax has it but it seems suspicious though surely with the timing
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
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Greytop

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 21:02
Umm... well I hope passive shop managers aren't a trend for their sakes because it will come back to bite them

At least we know one that is far from passive (lucky for us)

Joking aside I understand where you are coming from, as a matter of fact I visited LCE in Guildford a few years back when I was deciding between an Oly E-510 and K10D. Then they seemed pretty pro each brand, at least the guy I spoke to then was (don't think he was the manager).
Regards Huw

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Last Edited by Greytop on 31/05/2009 - 21:25

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 21:06
Anvh wrote:
I really think pentax have a promissing camera with the K-7, i read a lot of positieve comments from photographers that have another brand camera so hopefully they jump ship.
Also Canon seems to do his trick again. When the K20D came the 50D was delaid and came out with a sensor with more megapixels. Maybe it was not delaid because they wanted to have more pixels than Pentax but it seems strange though.
Now that the video specs are out of the K-7 and that it has full controll in video mode Canon has brought an update out for the 5D mkII so that it has full control in video mode as well. Not that they did it because Pentax has it but it seems suspicious though surely with the timing

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FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 21:18
Another eBay K100D I had bid on. This seems to be a trend - they go for about 250-260:

This one got away but there's plenty more fish in the sea. Find similar items now.

PENTAX K100D SUPER FANTASTIC DSLR!!
Sale price: 251.00
Your maximum bid: 155.00
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I am not familiar with the K100D but members in this thread said it was a good camera and I should get one as my first DSLR (I have an LX and K2), but can someone explain whether it is worth paying 250+ for a secondhand one when I can get a brand new KM body for about 50 more? Am I being shortsighted? Is it so much better than a KM?

If a used one is 250 plus I am very tempted to buy a brand new K20D for 519 from SRS. What am I missing?
FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Anvh

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 21:54
K100D is a good camera I believe but you might better look at the K100D super and up since they can work with the new KAF3 lenses with the K100D you will loose auto-focus with them.

251 seems a bit high for a K100D surely when camparing how much the K-M is new. I thought that K10D went for a bit more then that price not sure though. The K-M is I believe a better camera most surely in green mode since the K-M is specially designed for beginners in mind.

With missing you mean against the K-7, right?
some plus points of the K-7 compared to the K20D.
- smaller and lighter camera without feeling smaller.
- it seems to have better weather-sealing
- magnesium body
- faster and maybe better AF, they seem to really make some improvements.
- maybe better exposure metering, and hopefully also improvement with older lenses.
- faster shutterspeed 3.2fps against 5fps (or something like that)
- 100% viewfinder
- better LCD screen and some usefull feature to use with the improved live-view.
- it seems that noise is better, don't know for sure yet.
- better shake reduction.
- video-mode
- normall bateries in grip

I think I got most of it now.
Nothing really new except for the much better liveview and video-mode, the rest are only improvements.

You might not use most of the K7 to begin with so maybe getting the K20D now and use that for 3 years and when the K8 is out for awhile so reduce in price you can get that one. Of course if you really want liveview, video mode and want to use older lenses (hoping of course for better metering) I would wait for the K7.
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 22:00
Sorry Stefan this is a language issue. What am I missing? didn't mean what am I missing from the K7 by buying a K20, it meant "What part of the picture do I not understand when a secondhand camera (K100D Super) which is discontinued and an 'inferior' model costs 250 when I can get a brand new top of the line K20d for only 250 more?" Is there somethign I should know that I do not?

(PS IT was a 'super') but still it's an older discontinued model whereas the K20 is current and better specified and not a lot more money relatively.
FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Anvh

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 22:08
ah okay, I wasn't sure

I don't know to be honest, the K100D is surely a good camera but it doesn't offer more then the K-M I believe besides the more focus points.
Probable the ask for them keep the price high, maybe when the K200D and K20D come more in the secondhand market the price of the K100D super will drop.
The K100D super is of course the second newest serie of Pentax with only the K-M and K200D newer as that so in the secondhand market it belongs to one of the newest serrie.
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 22:16
According to SRS the only models which are current are the KM, K20D and now the K7 - all others are discontinued
FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Anvh

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 22:23
Yes but the K200D is relative new and there is no follow up model on that since the K-M is below his specs.

With follow up model I mean what the K20D is compared to the K10D, just to make that clear
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 31/05/2009 - 22:32
According to SRS (As of about 2 weeks ago) they discontinued the K200D because there was too much overlap with the newer KM. But even then, looking at prices on eBay it makes me think the K20D at 519 for the body at SRS is a hell of deal, and from the looks of it Pentax bodies don't lose much value. You could probably sell it next year for as much as you pay for it now and then upgrade to the K7 if you wish
FILM - Pentax: LX, K2 - 24/2.8, 40/2.8, 50/1.4, 120/2.8, 80-200/4.5, 28-105mm 2.8 macro, AF 280T

DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Pentaxophile

Link Posted 01/06/2009 - 00:17
Amazing that K100D's are going for that much!.... One went at 150.000 on the 23rd though. Don't buy one at 250.00. This is decent value though:

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greynolds999

Link Posted 01/06/2009 - 11:54
On the subject of Pentax's prescence, there is always going to be an issue in the UK because of the image.

Pentax is seen as an 'amateur' brand, even though the products are excellent. Unless Pentax/Hoya/Samsung threw billions into product development and advertising they would never have the image (in the UK) that Canon, Nikon and even Sony have.

The odd thing for me is how much I like it! When you see a Nikon or Canon user, you assume (sometimes wrongly) that they wandered into Jessops and bought the first thing they saw. When you see a Pentax user, you know this is a 'real' photographer and you immediately have a bond.

I wish I could gather the data on the number of Canikons which have never been out of 'green' mode!
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greynolds999

Link Posted 01/06/2009 - 11:59
On the original subject, I bought the K10D when it came out (overpriced) and I will buy the K7 when it comes out (overpriced). And then I'll probably skip a model or two again. I hate buying the 'previous' model. Which is pathetic, I know!

But at the risk of starting some mad specualtion, where does that leave us in model terms? The current order is K7, K20D, Km. If the K20D is effectively replaced, is the gap above the K7 or below, ie are we getting a higher or lower spec model in another year?
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