LED Ring Lights

bforbes
Posted 20/01/2010 - 23:56 Link
Does anyone have any experience using this type of macro light? link
hefty1
Posted 21/01/2010 - 00:46 Link
I've never used one but I'd imagine the (comparatively) low output would only be suitable for subjects that were very close to the lens. I'd be interested in your findings if you do buy one though!
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bretti_kivi
Posted 21/01/2010 - 06:34 Link
wrong light colour, too; there's no deep red available. If there was, I'd already be using LEDs not flashes...

Bret
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Hyram
Posted 21/01/2010 - 08:36 Link
Distance upto 1 metre according to the description.

At that price it is probably worth a punt
Hyram

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TonyM
Posted 21/01/2010 - 09:29 Link
Barrie

If you do go ahead, could you post your experience with it please? I'm interested in this. Thanks.

Tony
thoughton
Posted 21/01/2010 - 09:38 Link
I saw a thread about something similar recently, including some sample pics (which were surprisingly good). Will see if I can re-locate it.
Tim
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bforbes
Posted 21/01/2010 - 18:19 Link
bretti_kivi wrote:
wrong light colour, too; there's no deep red available. If there was, I'd already be using LEDs not flashes...

Bret
What is the difference between the light generated by LED and Flash? And how would it show on the image?
thoughton
Posted 21/01/2010 - 18:40 Link
Here's that link I mentioned, with some example pics.

http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00VPzR
Tim
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pink
Posted 21/01/2010 - 18:46 Link
Sorry If I offend But yesterday I used a Pentax Ring Flash for portrait in a barbers shop.

Question

Flash on the front of the lens (how do you avoid red eye) never had this in the studio or with a metz cl45 hammer, but towards the end of the shoot I tried the Ring flash ???


James
Anvh
Posted 21/01/2010 - 19:00 Link
bforbes wrote:
bretti_kivi wrote:
wrong light colour, too; there's no deep red available. If there was, I'd already be using LEDs not flashes...

Bret
What is the difference between the light generated by LED and Flash? And how would it show on the image?
Well the colour is different and most have a narrow spectrum of light.

They could make a RGB led system, and if I'm correct they could make that so that you can balance that. I'm not 100% sure about this though...
Stefan
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Anvh
Posted 21/01/2010 - 19:03 Link
pink wrote:
Flash on the front of the lens (how do you avoid red eye) never had this in the studio or with a metz cl45 hammer, but towards the end of the shoot I tried the Ring flash ???
It's of course Direct light a ringflash, the red is from the retina (choroid to be more precise) of the eye, the blood in there make it red. You sine directly light in someone eyes then of course that will bounce back and pick up the colour of the blood...

Indirect light is the solution or don't let them look into the lens, there might be other solutions but those are all I can think off...

What red-eye reduction does is give a bright flash so the the iris close and that restricts the light of getting in the eye, problem is that it doesn't look so good.
Stefan
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Edited by Anvh: 21/01/2010 - 19:08
bretti_kivi
Posted 21/01/2010 - 19:31 Link
look at page 5 of this: http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLamp7090XR-E.pdf

That dip represents no light falling on your subject.

Demo: three shots; one auto WB, another Tungsten and another with an MJ-Drop-in for Maglite 2AA (which has been machined but nothing else), so it's a standard Nichia 60mA superflux white LED.

I'll let you guess which is which. The pens are Shinhan Touch markers.

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Processing in camera, no GIMP or UFRaw.

Bret
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Anvh
Posted 21/01/2010 - 19:47 Link
Bret, a RGB led system should solve that problem.
Don't know if there are systems that are photography orientated and use such set-up though...
Stefan
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Edited by Anvh: 21/01/2010 - 19:48
bretti_kivi
Posted 21/01/2010 - 20:39 Link
it won't, unfortunately, solve the problem completely, though it does improve it.

If you know you're working at 5600K - which is where I want to be, most of the time - then you can get a pretty good WB. However, not all of the colours will be represented properly IMO. I'd have to try (I have a cree Q3 5600K neutral white here, waiting to go into the kitchen) and see what happens.

This one's quite interesting: http://www.coolon.com.au/download/ColourMixing.pdf

- and there's no way you're going to get binned 5mm LEDs. I was going to do something with 7 K2 Leds - red, red-orange, amber, green, cyan, blue and royalblue - to try and simulate very high CRI (color rendering index) but have been distracted with more important stuff.

Another link: http://www.crcc.cnrs.fr/IMG/pdf/DiodesElectroLuminescentes_AIC2005_Vienot-Mahler...

Bret
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pink
Posted 21/01/2010 - 20:45 Link
Stefan

I know how to avoid and correct red eye But, there must be a way of avoiding the red eye if you look at the link in Tim's post the ring flash is reflected in the little girls' eyes with out red eye

james

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