LCD Monitor
Posted 26/03/2007 - 22:55
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if your graphics card is happy with widescreen resolutions (not all are) then I'd take the widescreen. gives you a bit more space to tuck your pallets and toolbars down the side while still being able to see the main image.
Posted 28/03/2007 - 19:25
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I'm in a similar situation to Mike, my good CRT died recently and I'm currently using an older and smaller one with a max. resolution of 800x600.
I really don't want (nor can afford) a really good replacement but I've seen some flat-screens at around £100 that have good colour and sharpness etc. and I'm sure that I'd be happy with any one of them.
However, I too am unsure as to whether or not to go for a widescreen model. I appreciate that you get more desktop space but every model I've seen being demonstrated (normally showing the Vista promotion) has widescreen distortion ie. the circular Vista logo is perfectly circular on square models but oval (flattened top and bottom) on the widescreen versions.
Can this effect be corrected via either the computer or monitor settings, without losing too much of the available screen?
I'll most probably go for widescreen anyway esp. as they're better for watching DVDs but for general use, I'd like everything to look naturally proportioned.
I really don't want (nor can afford) a really good replacement but I've seen some flat-screens at around £100 that have good colour and sharpness etc. and I'm sure that I'd be happy with any one of them.
However, I too am unsure as to whether or not to go for a widescreen model. I appreciate that you get more desktop space but every model I've seen being demonstrated (normally showing the Vista promotion) has widescreen distortion ie. the circular Vista logo is perfectly circular on square models but oval (flattened top and bottom) on the widescreen versions.
Can this effect be corrected via either the computer or monitor settings, without losing too much of the available screen?
I'll most probably go for widescreen anyway esp. as they're better for watching DVDs but for general use, I'd like everything to look naturally proportioned.
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Posted 28/03/2007 - 23:36
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well I can't be certain not having seen the machines in question, but I'd say those demo boxes were just badly set up and displaying a 4:3 resolution (say 1024x76 on their 16:9 screens and stretching to fit.
My dad has a widescreen 15" on his lappy, no distortion whatsoever as long as it's set to a proper wide screen resolution.
My dad has a widescreen 15" on his lappy, no distortion whatsoever as long as it's set to a proper wide screen resolution.
Posted 29/03/2007 - 01:27
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That's reassuring, I assumed it was something like that because otherwise, it would have been the square screens that were distorted - seeing as they were all synchronised to a single source!
I did have a widescreen tv that I was never really happy with, no matter what setting I chose, it always seemed like a compromise between picture size and distortion / image loss.
If I allowed the set to automatically choose the correct format, it used the whole screen and the perspective was correct but there was always a substantial amount of picture missing for example, the answers C and D in ......Millionaire would be missing from the bottom of the screen and then in panoramic mode, the whole image was there but it was like sitting in front of a giant goldfish bowl.
I'm relieved to hear that monitors don't suffer from the same problem.
I did have a widescreen tv that I was never really happy with, no matter what setting I chose, it always seemed like a compromise between picture size and distortion / image loss.
If I allowed the set to automatically choose the correct format, it used the whole screen and the perspective was correct but there was always a substantial amount of picture missing for example, the answers C and D in ......Millionaire would be missing from the bottom of the screen and then in panoramic mode, the whole image was there but it was like sitting in front of a giant goldfish bowl.
I'm relieved to hear that monitors don't suffer from the same problem.
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Posted 29/03/2007 - 02:27
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Yesterday I purchased a LG Flatron 20" Wide Screen LCD monitor which, so far, I am very happy with. I will calibrate it with my Spyder2 at the weekend and try some PS work.
Mike
Mike
Posted 30/05/2007 - 15:40
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I just bought a LG flatron 22" widescreen, not because i'm unhappy with my current one, but because my GF needs a monitor, and i'd like a bigger one.
I think it may be defective though. appalling colour chnages at viewing angles over 30degrees, and very poor gradation of colours. spent hours profiling it by eye (I don't have a tool that actually measures it) but it was still lousy.
my current 2yr old AG neovo 19" is superior in every respect except max brightness and response time. and it looked good out of the box, no profiling needed. it cost £200 2 yrs ago and the updated version is now available for about £130 shipped.
I went to my local PC world and they had a range of stuff that although better than the possibly defective LG still left me underwhelmed.
if neovo made a 22" wide i'd probably buy that, in the meantime i'm stuck. any suggestions?
i'm about ready to get another one of the neovo. and give up on the widescreen idea.
I think it may be defective though. appalling colour chnages at viewing angles over 30degrees, and very poor gradation of colours. spent hours profiling it by eye (I don't have a tool that actually measures it) but it was still lousy.
my current 2yr old AG neovo 19" is superior in every respect except max brightness and response time. and it looked good out of the box, no profiling needed. it cost £200 2 yrs ago and the updated version is now available for about £130 shipped.
I went to my local PC world and they had a range of stuff that although better than the possibly defective LG still left me underwhelmed.
if neovo made a 22" wide i'd probably buy that, in the meantime i'm stuck. any suggestions?
i'm about ready to get another one of the neovo. and give up on the widescreen idea.
Posted 31/05/2007 - 10:56
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If your graphics card supports it why not go for dual screen rather than wide screen.
I use a phillips 170C for editing and have all the toolbars, and browsers on the other screen (octigen M17) this gives me loads of space for editing without tools all over the image. EG you can have silkypix running with all the tools open without being cluttered.
Be careful though Windows will only allow one colour profile to be loaded to the graphics card at any one time. Hence you can only edit colours properly on one screen.
I colour profiled the Phillips and it's really good with wide Gammut range, the Octigen is pretty poor colour wise.
I use a phillips 170C for editing and have all the toolbars, and browsers on the other screen (octigen M17) this gives me loads of space for editing without tools all over the image. EG you can have silkypix running with all the tools open without being cluttered.
Be careful though Windows will only allow one colour profile to be loaded to the graphics card at any one time. Hence you can only edit colours properly on one screen.
I colour profiled the Phillips and it's really good with wide Gammut range, the Octigen is pretty poor colour wise.
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Posted 31/05/2007 - 11:00
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If your graphics card supports it why not go for dual screen rather than wide screen.
I use a phillips 170C for editing and have all the toolbars, and browsers on the other screen (octigen M17) this gives me loads of space for editing without tools all over the image. EG you can have silkypix running with all the tools open without being cluttered.
Be careful though Windows will only allow one colour profile to be loaded to the graphics card at any one time. Hence you can only edit colours properly on one screen.
I colour profiled the Phillips and it's really good with wide Gammut range, the Octigen is pretty poor colour wise.
Widescreen is better than dual screens unless you get one wide and one standard cheap one.If your graphics card supports it why not go for dual screen rather than wide screen.
I use a phillips 170C for editing and have all the toolbars, and browsers on the other screen (octigen M17) this gives me loads of space for editing without tools all over the image. EG you can have silkypix running with all the tools open without being cluttered.
Be careful though Windows will only allow one colour profile to be loaded to the graphics card at any one time. Hence you can only edit colours properly on one screen.
I colour profiled the Phillips and it's really good with wide Gammut range, the Octigen is pretty poor colour wise.
1920x1200 is absolutely amazing for photo work and there is no need for a second screen. The ratio means toolbars fit along the sides of a 3:2 image perfectly.
I wouldn't mind a 2560x1600 screen though
Posted 31/05/2007 - 11:11
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I'm on mac and theres no problem with dual profiles.
but a wide screen would be great for protools (audio recording) which is one of my main things.
i've learned way more than i ever wanted to know about screens in the last 2 days. basically the whole current crop of cheap TN high contrast fast response widescreens are rubbish for photos (and everything else frankly!)
models currently under consideration are:
NEC LCD2070NX £320 cheapest serious s-ips panel i can find - and from a reputable manufacturer....
LG L2000C (can't find out what technology it uses but had some good reviews) £250ish but seems mostly unavailable
Formac extreme 3 2010, uses MVA which i'm not sure about. £265ish but don't like the wide bezel and 3 point stand much
any comments on these - or other recomendations? (pref under £300!)
EDIT these are not widescreens, just big 4:3 1600x1200, i have given up on wide as i can't find a serious one at a good price.
but a wide screen would be great for protools (audio recording) which is one of my main things.
i've learned way more than i ever wanted to know about screens in the last 2 days. basically the whole current crop of cheap TN high contrast fast response widescreens are rubbish for photos (and everything else frankly!)
models currently under consideration are:
NEC LCD2070NX £320 cheapest serious s-ips panel i can find - and from a reputable manufacturer....
LG L2000C (can't find out what technology it uses but had some good reviews) £250ish but seems mostly unavailable
Formac extreme 3 2010, uses MVA which i'm not sure about. £265ish but don't like the wide bezel and 3 point stand much
any comments on these - or other recomendations? (pref under £300!)
EDIT these are not widescreens, just big 4:3 1600x1200, i have given up on wide as i can't find a serious one at a good price.
Posted 31/05/2007 - 12:16
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E-buyer have the LG L2000CE in stock and £220.86
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=28266420237&action=c2h...
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=28266420237&action=c2h...
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Posted 31/05/2007 - 12:25
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Posted 31/05/2007 - 14:43
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Full spec for LG L2000CE is at
http://uk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategory...
and the spec for the L2000C
http://uk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategory...
The L2000c is 1260x1024 and the L2000CE is 1450x1050
You may want to check with them first that it is the CE and not the C version.
Hope you've got a good graphics card if you want to run at 1600x1200
http://uk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategory...
and the spec for the L2000C
http://uk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategory...
The L2000c is 1260x1024 and the L2000CE is 1450x1050
You may want to check with them first that it is the CE and not the C version.
Hope you've got a good graphics card if you want to run at 1600x1200
Old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read.
Posted 31/05/2007 - 14:54
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The L2000c is 1260x1024 a
I think thats a typo, click on the specs tab on that same page and it says 1600x1200The L2000c is 1260x1024 a
I've just had conf from LG that it is a S-IPS panel and so I'm buying one! (the last one i could find in stock anywhere!)
reviews here:
http://macuser.pcpro.co.uk/macuser/labs/91478/lg-flatron-l2000c.html
http://www.unreal.ie/forum&c=showthread&ThreadID=2749
I was running 1600x1200 no prblems on a CRT a few years ago on an older mac than my current one, no problems, but then I'm not a gamer, frame rate is not a major concern!
Posted 01/06/2007 - 13:38
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I received my L2000C, I can confirm that it's a really good display, the view angles are good, and its colour gradation and brightness etc are all good.
the ability to pivot between landscape and portrait is way cool (even though theres no automatic pivot software for osx, you have to change it manually)
I have 2 gripes:
1. no icc or colorsync profile is included. bah! I know I should calibrate it properly but still a standard profile should be included, maybe there is one in the windows driver. Have calibrated using apples colorsync tool and it is sort of OK for now.
2. much more serious. there is a slight colour gradation across the screen from top to bottom. the top is about right and the lower half of the screen gets gradually redder. its not huge, took me a few minutes to notice - but its enough to be a concern for photo use. its not related to viewing angle, and it remains the same relative to the screen when the screen is pivoted, so its real.
should I send it back? am I being too fussy? can the gradation be fixed? whats worse the retailer can't just swap for another because this was the last one in stock. have called LG but they are clueless - though they did tell me to return it if the colour is not even.
this is the 3rd screen I have had to send back! what is wrong with this industry!
at least I know I want this model, its very good aside from the slight color gradation
the ability to pivot between landscape and portrait is way cool (even though theres no automatic pivot software for osx, you have to change it manually)
I have 2 gripes:
1. no icc or colorsync profile is included. bah! I know I should calibrate it properly but still a standard profile should be included, maybe there is one in the windows driver. Have calibrated using apples colorsync tool and it is sort of OK for now.
2. much more serious. there is a slight colour gradation across the screen from top to bottom. the top is about right and the lower half of the screen gets gradually redder. its not huge, took me a few minutes to notice - but its enough to be a concern for photo use. its not related to viewing angle, and it remains the same relative to the screen when the screen is pivoted, so its real.
should I send it back? am I being too fussy? can the gradation be fixed? whats worse the retailer can't just swap for another because this was the last one in stock. have called LG but they are clueless - though they did tell me to return it if the colour is not even.
this is the 3rd screen I have had to send back! what is wrong with this industry!
at least I know I want this model, its very good aside from the slight color gradation
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