K5IIs, how good then?
Posted 16/06/2013 - 17:17
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Don't see why we should get an odd looking beast.
The comment was based on the very boxy square format 126 format DSLRs of yore. Zeiss Ikon and Rollei made examples.
Don't see why we should get an odd looking beast.
Best regards, John
Posted 16/06/2013 - 17:26
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Regarding the whole battery grip vs square format argument ....
Alan, for now the benefits you claim for the square format are hypothetical to us - we don't have it -
I am talking about the advantages of the grip over and above the camera on its own that I do have (a K7 - grip and handling etc are the same as K5 also). If we do get then get a chance one day to comapre the features / handling of a square format Pentax DSLR with an APS-C or FF one and try out the grips, then we could ressurrect this argument. Until then its only guesswork.
Didn't think there was an issue discussing other options. After all the grip discussion you are pushing isn't exactly on topic which is specific to the k5IIsRegarding the whole battery grip vs square format argument ....
Alan, for now the benefits you claim for the square format are hypothetical to us - we don't have it -
I am talking about the advantages of the grip over and above the camera on its own that I do have (a K7 - grip and handling etc are the same as K5 also). If we do get then get a chance one day to comapre the features / handling of a square format Pentax DSLR with an APS-C or FF one and try out the grips, then we could ressurrect this argument. Until then its only guesswork.
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I am recomending people try out the option we do actually have at the moment and consider the benefits I have listed.
I am recomending people try out the option we do actually have at the moment and consider the benefits I have listed.
As to to the grip. I use one with my Sigma 150-500 or 300mm with and sometimes without the 1.7x attached. They do improve balance. On smaller lenses, I find the grip negatively impacts on balance. And shooting with a grip in portrait mode is more of a hindrance than a benefit, if you shoot with your left eye
Posted 16/06/2013 - 17:43
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darkskies wrote:
I've been thinking about this.
I have a K-r at the moment, and will upgrade to a K5, but which version is still undecided. I can get a K5 MkI at a very good price now, but, from what I have seen, the IIs looks like a greater leap. it just seems that way to me. Given that any upgrade will be a while in the future, perhaps the IIs will have come down in price to something which makes more sense for me, but, as usual for me, I can't make up my mind!
I agree with your thought process Neil. The K-5iis will reduce in price at some point in the not too distant future, especially if a new model (or models) comes out. I think at that point a lot of us will buy one and I personally would probably go down this route rather than going FF if I decide to buy another camera.I've been thinking about this.
I have a K-r at the moment, and will upgrade to a K5, but which version is still undecided. I can get a K5 MkI at a very good price now, but, from what I have seen, the IIs looks like a greater leap. it just seems that way to me. Given that any upgrade will be a while in the future, perhaps the IIs will have come down in price to something which makes more sense for me, but, as usual for me, I can't make up my mind!
Regards
David
Posted 16/06/2013 - 17:59
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Hi Alan, no, not at weddings, but I did experience it last night when shooting some images at a party. There was a band on stage and I took some at pretty close distances with the iis and a Sigma 105mm DG EX Macro. One of the guys had a jacket on with a very close weave, a bit shiny and this did produce moire. This is the first time I've seen it to any degree after taking thousands of shots with the iis and I have no way of knowing whether the K-5 mk1 would also have produced it in these circumstances (I suspect it may have done).
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David
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David
Posted 16/06/2013 - 18:44
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Smeggypants wrote:
Well I've got a BG4 grip here that has been used .... once, and had zero shots taken with it.McGregNi wrote:
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
Well as said I had a grip on my K20D for a quite a while, and I concluded it didn't alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better. I went back. of course others may feel differently.Smeggypants wrote:
I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
True, I only have first-hand experiences of my own 'man-machine' interface... the 'man' part that is .... but as I own the BG-4 grip I have used the camera quite a bit with and without it. I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
I put it on the camera, turned it to the vertical position, fumbled for the controls and thought 'why would I ever want to do this rather than just rotating the camera leaving my fingers already on the proper controls?'. Each to their own though, if I was doing studio work with the camera vertical on a tripod all the time I'd probably want to use it.
Posted 16/06/2013 - 19:03
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gwing wrote:
Well I've got a BG4 grip here that has been used .... once, and had zero shots taken with it.Smeggypants wrote:
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
Well as said I had a grip on my K20D for a quite a while, and I concluded it didn't alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better. I went back. of course others may feel differently.McGregNi wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"]
I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
True, I only have first-hand experiences of my own 'man-machine' interface... the 'man' part that is .... but as I own the BG-4 grip I have used the camera quite a bit with and without it. [quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"]
I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
I put it on the camera, turned it to the vertical position, fumbled for the controls and thought 'why would I ever want to do this rather than just rotating the camera leaving my fingers already on the proper controls?'. Each to their own though, if I was doing studio work with the camera vertical on a tripod all the time I'd probably want to use it.[/quote]I'd use a remote shutter button in that instance.
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Posted 16/06/2013 - 19:08
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McGregNi wrote:
Well as said I had a grip on my K20D for quite a while, and I concluded it didn't alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better. I went back. of course others may feel differently.
Smeggypants wrote:
We build up a kind of tactile memory for these things, which becomes natural over time - changes therefore feel unatural initially unless you persist and re-develop that tactile memory. For me, the camera with grip is the norm, thats what feels right. McGregNi wrote:
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
Well as said I had a grip on my K20D for a quite a while, and I concluded it didn't alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better. I went back. of course others may feel differently.I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
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Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
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Posted 16/06/2013 - 19:18
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Smeggypants wrote:
Well I've got a BG4 grip here that has been used .... once, and had zero shots taken with it.gwing wrote:
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
Well as said I had a grip on my K20D for a quite a while, and I concluded it didn't alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better. I went back. of course others may feel differently.Smeggypants wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="McGregNi"][quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"]
I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
True, I only have first-hand experiences of my own 'man-machine' interface... the 'man' part that is .... but as I own the BG-4 grip I have used the camera quite a bit with and without it. [quote:3496ace15f="McGregNi"][quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"]
I can't see who you can can credibly claim an opinion on what is optimal for use by someone else. Many people find the addition of the grip makes the use of the camera less optimal.
I would really recommend to all users of compatible Pentax DSLRS, if you can get the chance, to try your camera with the Grip - it really does alter the whole feel and handling of your camera for the better, and you may not want to go back
I put it on the camera, turned it to the vertical position, fumbled for the controls and thought 'why would I ever want to do this rather than just rotating the camera leaving my fingers already on the proper controls?'. Each to their own though, if I was doing studio work with the camera vertical on a tripod all the time I'd probably want to use it.[/quote]I'd use a remote shutter button in that instance. [/quote]Shows how much I know about studio work
Posted 16/06/2013 - 19:30
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OK, I'm happy to 'can it' for now . As Alan fairly points out, talk of Grips and other formats is off topic. It stems from my own desire for a larger Pentax DSLR body - that is looking like a minority wish-list item here . Lets hope Pentax can cater to this wide range of needs and wants.
I'm also interested in the discussions about the K5iis, and ever since it came out I have wanted to explore the question of whether you can reproduce the same output effect from a standard K5 simply through additional or differing sharpening methods? David seems to be saying this is not the case.
I'm also interested in the discussions about the K5iis, and ever since it came out I have wanted to explore the question of whether you can reproduce the same output effect from a standard K5 simply through additional or differing sharpening methods? David seems to be saying this is not the case.
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Posted 16/06/2013 - 20:13
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McGregNi wrote:
It stems from my own desire for a larger Pentax DSLR body
645D ?
It stems from my own desire for a larger Pentax DSLR body
John K
Posted 16/06/2013 - 20:32
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Oh yeah, of course - I'd forgotten that! Just what I need Its a very different beast though. I'm thinking more along the lines of the dimensions of the competition's top Pro bodies, but with the great Pentax handling and control features.
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Posted 16/06/2013 - 22:05
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McGregNi wrote:
OK, I'm happy to 'can it' for now . As Alan fairly points out, talk of Grips and other formats is off topic. It stems from my own desire for a larger Pentax DSLR body - that is looking like a minority wish-list item here . Lets hope Pentax can cater to this wide range of needs and wants.
I'm also interested in the discussions about the K5iis, and ever since it came out I have wanted to explore the question of whether you can reproduce the same output effect from a standard K5 simply through additional or differing sharpening methods? David seems to be saying this is not the case.
You can simply decide for yourself by downloading the comparison pics and applying post processing and see if the K-5IIs does indeed offer something you can't get from a bit extra ofprocessing on the K-5/K-5IIOK, I'm happy to 'can it' for now . As Alan fairly points out, talk of Grips and other formats is off topic. It stems from my own desire for a larger Pentax DSLR body - that is looking like a minority wish-list item here . Lets hope Pentax can cater to this wide range of needs and wants.
I'm also interested in the discussions about the K5iis, and ever since it came out I have wanted to explore the question of whether you can reproduce the same output effect from a standard K5 simply through additional or differing sharpening methods? David seems to be saying this is not the case.
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Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
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The square format has been mooted for many, many years, but when tried on film SLRs has always failed.
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It's odds on you'd get a square camera that used the shortest side of the APS-C format anyway, but if it was the longest side you'd end up with a very odd looking beast with little general appeal.
Don't see why we should get an odd looking beast. We'll probably never know
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