K5d or D300s
Posted 25/02/2012 - 22:33
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Mike-P wrote:
I just think of it as a "feature"
It's only a "feature" if your technique is rubbish.
I just think of it as a "feature"
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Posted 25/02/2012 - 22:33
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dannyh wrote:
Then you must believe that it is possible to take pictures that are, at the very least, perfectly framed, perfectly exposed, and perfectly colour-balanced, and which will not benefit from even a little sharpening.George Lazarette wrote:
Felix, you should post-process EVERY image you take.
G
its the "every" that i disagree with George.Felix, you should post-process EVERY image you take.
G
No only is it highly unlikely that anybody has ever taken such a picture, but furthermore I find that contrast and levels almost invariably benefit from some subtle tweaking, and I often also use one of the Silkypix colour profiles.
If you are happy with what you get straight out of the camera, then I would suggest that a visit to the opticians might be a good idea.
And a little reading on the subject would not come amiss either.
It's true that I don't know everything (though it was gratuitously offensive of you to point it out), but I suggest you canvass some other views before suggesting that I am wrong on this particular subject.
G
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Posted 25/02/2012 - 22:40
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Mike-P wrote:
That can be bloody annoying when shooting something coming towards you or if you are tracking a subject that behaves erratically.
The K-5 is a lot better than previous Pentax bodies though.
So it's the continuous focusing that you find a problem. I have to say I don't use it much - perhaps because it's not very good!George Lazarette wrote:
but my understanding (which may be wrong) is that Pentax AF is not less accurate than that of other brands, but can be less rapid.
It's the tracking more than the speed of the AF that is not so good on Pentax. On my 50D I can pick centre spot (for instance) use AF-C and move the camera all over the place and it will lock every time .. instantly. With the K-5 it will lock 3 or 4 times then just give up.but my understanding (which may be wrong) is that Pentax AF is not less accurate than that of other brands, but can be less rapid.
That can be bloody annoying when shooting something coming towards you or if you are tracking a subject that behaves erratically.
The K-5 is a lot better than previous Pentax bodies though.
G
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Posted 25/02/2012 - 23:22
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It is not good and lenses are so slooowww .
There are specific situations where tools in use really must be up to the challenge/work.
Just try to imagine someone with current Pentax DSLR and DA*60-250mm i.e at Mach Loop, trying to catch something in focus, some Mach Loop examples:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/McDonnell-Douglas-F-15E/1130381/L/
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7189304&nseq=55
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7236416&nseq=4
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7236421&nseq=3
There are specific situations where tools in use really must be up to the challenge/work.
Just try to imagine someone with current Pentax DSLR and DA*60-250mm i.e at Mach Loop, trying to catch something in focus, some Mach Loop examples:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/McDonnell-Douglas-F-15E/1130381/L/
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7189304&nseq=55
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7236416&nseq=4
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7236421&nseq=3
Posted 26/02/2012 - 00:16
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I've found that all the AF bodies I've tried from all manufacturers lock on and focus fast enough. Ironically, the slowest was the Nikon D300S, but maybe it was the lens itself that didn't help.
Best regards, John
Posted 26/02/2012 - 03:34
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Posted 26/02/2012 - 10:04
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NSANTOS wrote:
hello.
I come here asking for advice about the Pentax K5, I'm interested in it, but I wonder if it is fast enough for sports, and other photography in general.
Nikon D300s is also a good proposal, has 12mgpixel very fast, and I'm a little undecided on what to buy.
On the one hand cost me much to leave the Pentax, because I like it, I have a K10D and I have taken great pictures with it, and learned a lot from her, but its AF is not the best, and often fails in sports.
I would like to have an opinion yours.
Best wishes.
Hello Nestor,hello.
I come here asking for advice about the Pentax K5, I'm interested in it, but I wonder if it is fast enough for sports, and other photography in general.
Nikon D300s is also a good proposal, has 12mgpixel very fast, and I'm a little undecided on what to buy.
On the one hand cost me much to leave the Pentax, because I like it, I have a K10D and I have taken great pictures with it, and learned a lot from her, but its AF is not the best, and often fails in sports.
I would like to have an opinion yours.
Best wishes.
As you already have and know Pentax, your indecision of whether to do a system change is based purely on your probably not having tried a K5 with suitable lens, say a 70-200 f/2.8 Sigma. I find it odd that you consider a D300S rather than a D7000 which is Nikon,s closest equivalent to a K5. I use Nikon and Pentax and I would without doubt advise you to get a K5 rather than change system, especially with a D300S.
There are an awful lot of people that think a Nikon will automatically give them the sports shots they need and never achieve good results which is no fault of the system. It's down to technique, timing and an understanding of the subject matter that your shooting.
For sure, the Nikon AF is quicker with the right glass on the front. If you used a Nikkor 80-400 VR on a D300S, you would find it quicker to paint the image than wait for the AF to lock on.
Throw money on the front of a D300S with Nikkor Pro lenses and you'll have a quick system that wont give you the same IQ as the K5 and a Sigma 70-200EX or 100-300EX. That's a fact. You would have to "tune" the camera settings to match the IQ of Pentax. I speak from experience.
The above is my honest opinion leaving you free to take it or leave it.
Best regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 26/02/2012 - 12:21
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So im not allowed to form an opinion on my own (as if i am a child) must i first canvass the opinions of others before expressing a view?? Come on.
I said its not the only way at least that is what i meant, there are plenty of pictures that might not be perfectly anything but that dosent make them great pictures. How about film days?
Im sure you dont think i am suggesting that you dont PP or that it can't improve the pictures i just dont think that it is absolutely neccesary everytime. I dont think that you ( i mean anyone) could tell with your eyes if a picture is perfectly colour balanced, only that you like it or you would change it.
Just to be clear i am arguing with your opinion not with you (at least that was my intention) and im sorry if you felt offended
Dan
I said its not the only way at least that is what i meant, there are plenty of pictures that might not be perfectly anything but that dosent make them great pictures. How about film days?
Im sure you dont think i am suggesting that you dont PP or that it can't improve the pictures i just dont think that it is absolutely neccesary everytime. I dont think that you ( i mean anyone) could tell with your eyes if a picture is perfectly colour balanced, only that you like it or you would change it.
Just to be clear i am arguing with your opinion not with you (at least that was my intention) and im sorry if you felt offended
Dan
Posted 26/02/2012 - 12:36
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Danny, do yourself a favour and think for one second.
Most people on here are keen to take GOOD photographs. The best they can, in fact. That's why they use expensive equipment.
It makes no sense at all to spend a large amount of money on kit, and then waste the investment by not spending a few seconds improving the final image.
And that's all it takes, to realise what is almost always a significant improvement. And ALWAYS a discernible improvement. Invariably. Every time.
I suggested you canvas other opinions because you had clearly made up your mind not to take my word for it.
It may be that you think post-processing involves huge expense and hundreds of hours of training. Well, I have no doubt that a master of the art, like Mattmatic, has spent a lot of time perfecting his technique. But you don't need to go that far. Just a few hours learning Silkypix (for instance) will make a huge difference to your images.
Good luck.
G
Most people on here are keen to take GOOD photographs. The best they can, in fact. That's why they use expensive equipment.
It makes no sense at all to spend a large amount of money on kit, and then waste the investment by not spending a few seconds improving the final image.
And that's all it takes, to realise what is almost always a significant improvement. And ALWAYS a discernible improvement. Invariably. Every time.
I suggested you canvas other opinions because you had clearly made up your mind not to take my word for it.
It may be that you think post-processing involves huge expense and hundreds of hours of training. Well, I have no doubt that a master of the art, like Mattmatic, has spent a lot of time perfecting his technique. But you don't need to go that far. Just a few hours learning Silkypix (for instance) will make a huge difference to your images.
Good luck.
G
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Posted 26/02/2012 - 13:23
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K10D wrote:
Throw money on the front of a D300S with Nikkor Pro lenses and you'll have a quick system that wont give you the same IQ as the K5 and a Sigma 70-200EX or 100-300EX. That's a fact. You would have to "tune" the camera settings to match the IQ of Pentax. I speak from experience.
I must second your conclusion that a K-5 with a fast zoom (in my case Sigma 100-300 f4) is a huge improvement over other lenses I had tried, and works very well for sports.Throw money on the front of a D300S with Nikkor Pro lenses and you'll have a quick system that wont give you the same IQ as the K5 and a Sigma 70-200EX or 100-300EX. That's a fact. You would have to "tune" the camera settings to match the IQ of Pentax. I speak from experience.
But how would that compare with a K300, which I hear has very fast AF, paired with a Sigma 100-300? It seems you can buy a K300 (used) + Sigma 100-300 for almost the same price as a Sigma 100-300 for Pentax...
Posted 26/02/2012 - 13:41
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giofi wrote:
But how would that compare with a K300, which I hear has very fast AF, paired with a Sigma 100-300? It seems you can buy a K300 (used) + Sigma 100-300 for almost the same price as a Sigma 100-300 for Pentax...
The D300 is good with fast glass for AF. My views are that a D300 is not worth the change in system. A D700 would be the choice but why change system when a K5 with good glass will out IQ the D700 out of the box and he already knows Pentax. Running a parallel system as I do is not for everyone and it took a while for me to adapt.K10D wrote:
Throw money on the front of a D300S with Nikkor Pro lenses and you'll have a quick system that wont give you the same IQ as the K5 and a Sigma 70-200EX or 100-300EX. That's a fact. You would have to "tune" the camera settings to match the IQ of Pentax. I speak from experience.
I must second your conclusion that a K-5 with a fast zoom (in my case Sigma 100-300 f4) is a huge improvement over other lenses I had tried, and works very well for sports.Throw money on the front of a D300S with Nikkor Pro lenses and you'll have a quick system that wont give you the same IQ as the K5 and a Sigma 70-200EX or 100-300EX. That's a fact. You would have to "tune" the camera settings to match the IQ of Pentax. I speak from experience.
But how would that compare with a K300, which I hear has very fast AF, paired with a Sigma 100-300? It seems you can buy a K300 (used) + Sigma 100-300 for almost the same price as a Sigma 100-300 for Pentax...
His best option logically is to buy a K5 and sort some good, fast glass. Hi ISO helps in low light but fast glass is better as it has a direct impact on AF sensitivity and response plus you get better DOF choice.
These are my thoughts and may not suit others.
Best regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 26/02/2012 - 19:09
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Dear G I do in fact pp a lot of my pics but I disagree that EVERY picture should be pp'd and that its always an improvement to do so. Whether right or wrong my opinion is as equally valid as yours. Maybe I would give more weight to your views if I were to see evidence of all you spout about in your pictures. And as this is the last time im going to waste my time debating with you, humble? conciliatory?diplomatic? Is that what you think you are or what you aspire to? Love hugs and kisses Dan
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That can be bloody annoying when shooting something coming towards you or if you are tracking a subject that behaves erratically.
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