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K3 II jpg settings

gfurm
Posted 10/09/2015 - 16:55 Link
I tried some jpg settings in camera and I've found something that worked a bit differently in K5 II. Can some of you who got K 3 confirm if it works same as this:
When changing jpg settings in K3 II if I change the fine sharpening value it changes normal sharpening and extra sharpening at the same time to the same value as fine sharpening. I think in K5 II they were all separate.

How does it work in K3? Or am I just seeing things?

Greg
Pentax K-3 II, DA 50/1.8, Sigma 18-35/1.8, DA* 300/4, 1.4x HD DA Converter
McGregNi
Posted 10/09/2015 - 19:33 Link
On the earlier cameras you have to use the front e-dial to access the 2 fine sharpening options, then you select each one with the 4-way controller, which then works independent of the others. Are you definitely selecting and adjusting the fine sharpening sliders directly like this? It only makes sense really if they can be individually controlled.
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richandfleur
Posted 10/09/2015 - 20:32 Link
Could easily be a firmware big also...
SteveLedger
Posted 10/09/2015 - 21:11 Link
I know on my K-01 and K-50, selecting Fine then changing the value also changes the Normal value to the same position on the scale (and vice-versa). I always assumed the camera only used the 'currently selected' sharpening setting. IOW: If you select normal sharpening then close the menu, normal sharpening will be used. I thought the difference was that one sharpens fine detail while the other sharpens everything. Fine Sharpness most probably decreases the radius of the operation.
McGregNi
Posted 10/09/2015 - 21:21 Link
richandfleur wrote:
Could easily be a firmware big also...

Bad Spelling !
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SteveLedger
Posted 10/09/2015 - 21:25 Link
Please, don't start that here too
McGregNi
Posted 10/09/2015 - 21:37 Link
SteveLedger wrote:
I know on my K-01 and K-50, selecting Fine then changing the value also changes the Normal value to the same position on the scale (and vice-versa). I always assumed the camera only used the 'currently selected' sharpening setting. IOW: If you select normal sharpening then close the menu, normal sharpening will be used. I thought the difference was that one sharpens fine detail while the other sharpens everything. Fine Sharpness most probably decreases the radius of the operation.

I understood that each of the 3 settings (sharpening, fine 1, fine 2) were active at all times and yes, each applies to a pre-set fixed radius value (unknown to us). The fine settings remain at their centre default unless you actively open them up with the front e-dial and change them .....they are then stored and remembered for that particular custom preset (the master pre-set at the top, Natural, Bright, Portrait etc ) ...... So you end up with always 3 independent values stored, one for each slider ..... That's what I always assumed anyway.

PDCU mimics this by having all 3 sliders visible always ....(the camera interface method is just to save screen space ).
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SteveLedger
Posted 10/09/2015 - 22:40 Link
Only two sharpness controls with the K-01 and K-50. Normal and Fine. No fine2.
I'd question why they are even necessary on the K-3 which has no AA filter.
richandfleur
Posted 10/09/2015 - 23:18 Link
McGregNi wrote:
richandfleur wrote:
Could easily be a firmware big also...

Bad Spelling !

Lol, iphone on the bus sorry.
gfurm
Posted 11/09/2015 - 16:52 Link
Yes I did access fine sharpening with front dial, changed it with 4 way controller, went back to normal sharpening with front dial and normal was changed as well. I don't think it worked like that on K5 II, I think they were independent.
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McGregNi
Posted 11/09/2015 - 20:23 Link
Doesn't seem to make sense with them moving together. I understood the theory of it was that the 3 sliders controlled sharpening at different radius levels (as Steve said earlier) . Therefore the 3 different settings should be applied accumulatively at the processing stage. If you wanted to increase sharpening at a small radius level (fine) then you specifically don't want the sharpening at a coarser radius level increasing at the same time ....?
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SteveLedger
Posted 11/09/2015 - 20:29 Link
AFAIR it was the same for the K-7 so the K-01 and K-50 behavior was nothing new to me.
As mentioned, I believe like many other menu settings, the camera uses whatever you have selected when you exit the option screen.

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