K20d review on dpreview.
Posted 26/06/2008 - 13:01
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It was helpful having the K20D vs K10D in RAW mode. Surprising how good the K10D is in RAW
The high ISO of the K20D look very appealing, though it's not something I use every day. Additionally, the nearly 2 stops extra dynamic range in the K20D looked an excellent upgrade.
But, having seen all that, I think I'm carrying on with the K10D. It's just saved me seven hundred squid that I don't have
Matt
The high ISO of the K20D look very appealing, though it's not something I use every day. Additionally, the nearly 2 stops extra dynamic range in the K20D looked an excellent upgrade.
But, having seen all that, I think I'm carrying on with the K10D. It's just saved me seven hundred squid that I don't have
Matt
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Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:02
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I was set on upgrading to the K20D after only a few months seeing the £100 cashback deal but decided against it as it seemed a bit daft after such a short time and the fact I still havent got used to the K10D.
Then a couple of nights ago I went to a festival here in Spain which started around 9pm (still quite light) and took my Tamron 24-135mm. It got dark quite suddenly so I upped the ISo to 1600 rather than try to use the built in flash and have to say when I got home I scrapped just about every picture because the noise was so bad. I now wonder how the K20D would have coped.
Of course it could have just been my total lack of experience in using the camera when its dark
Then a couple of nights ago I went to a festival here in Spain which started around 9pm (still quite light) and took my Tamron 24-135mm. It got dark quite suddenly so I upped the ISo to 1600 rather than try to use the built in flash and have to say when I got home I scrapped just about every picture because the noise was so bad. I now wonder how the K20D would have coped.
Of course it could have just been my total lack of experience in using the camera when its dark
Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:06
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Of course it could have just been my total lack of experience in using the camera when its dark
The trick to taking shots of bright things (such as festivals and gigs) in very dark conditions is to use manual mode and spot metering Of course it could have just been my total lack of experience in using the camera when its dark
Switch to spot metering, zoom in and point the centre to a face that's lit and press the green button. Then reframe and shoot away. (You may even have to use less than ISO1600 to make this possible!!)
With an image that's substantially black the camera tries to push it so it becomes 18% grey - thus blowing out the highlights and losing all detail.
Might help...
Matt
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Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:25
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For those who don't have time to wade through 35 nit-picking pages, here is the conclusion:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page34.asp
DP reviewers get paid per million words.
G
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page34.asp
DP reviewers get paid per million words.
G
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Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:27
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The trick to taking shots of bright things (such as festivals and gigs) in very dark conditions is to use manual mode and spot metering
Switch to spot metering, zoom in and point the centre to a face that's lit and press the green button. Then reframe and shoot away. (You may even have to use less than ISO1600 to make this possible!!)
Might help...
Matt
Thanks .. will try that very soon, we seem to have a festival or parade here every 12 hours at the moment.The trick to taking shots of bright things (such as festivals and gigs) in very dark conditions is to use manual mode and spot metering
Switch to spot metering, zoom in and point the centre to a face that's lit and press the green button. Then reframe and shoot away. (You may even have to use less than ISO1600 to make this possible!!)
Might help...
Matt
Theres one coming up where they have this big parade, everybody stops and then they fill the street completely with that white foam stuff.
Wonder if the sealing on the K10D is up to that
Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:36
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Seems quite positive as reviews go.
I've had quite a good look through it, and it does seem very positive indeed - and gets an unequivocal Highly Recommended.Seems quite positive as reviews go.
If DPR has such an ingrained anti-Pentax bias as some would have you believe, how come such a positive review was 'allowed'?
Posted 26/06/2008 - 14:51
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Now that there are more reviewers the reviews are less biased, and the new reviewers are prepared to use RAW which is more than "Uncle" Phil ever would. It's a pity there was no Nikon used in the comparison tests. I think that would have been interesting, especially for the DR tests.
Posted 26/06/2008 - 15:17
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Theres one coming up where they have this big parade, everybody stops and then they fill the street completely with that white foam stuff.
Wonder if the sealing on the K10D is up to that
Although I've had my out K10D through blinding downpours, and even under the shower head with no ill effect, I think the matter of soap breaking down the surface tension of water would probably be more than the seals were meant to handle.Theres one coming up where they have this big parade, everybody stops and then they fill the street completely with that white foam stuff.
Wonder if the sealing on the K10D is up to that
-tony
Posted 26/06/2008 - 15:44
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nice to see that, unlike everyone else, Pentax continue to handle noise reduction the way it should be handled by a camera.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
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Posted 26/06/2008 - 16:03
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nice to see that, unlike everyone else, Pentax continue to handle noise reduction the way it should be handled by a camera.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
Absolutely.nice to see that, unlike everyone else, Pentax continue to handle noise reduction the way it should be handled by a camera.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
There were a number of things, including that one, about that review that made me think the '20 is even better than I already thought it was..
Posted 26/06/2008 - 18:15
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There were a number of things, including that one, about that review that made me think the '20 is even better than I already thought it was..
up to now I haven't felt any desire to replace my 10D with the 20, but the ISO performance demonstrated in that review was nearly enough to push me over the edge.Mongoose wrote:
nice to see that, unlike everyone else, Pentax continue to handle noise reduction the way it should be handled by a camera.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
Absolutely.nice to see that, unlike everyone else, Pentax continue to handle noise reduction the way it should be handled by a camera.
That is, no more than is absolutely necessary and under no circumstances loose any detail. The photographer will apply NR later to his or her tastes.
There were a number of things, including that one, about that review that made me think the '20 is even better than I already thought it was..
Nearly
There are still lenses I want before my next body upgrade.
Annoyingly I seem to be adding things I want to buy to the list faster than my finances allow me to clear them from the other end.
you don't have to be mad to post here
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but it does help
Posted 26/06/2008 - 18:59
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Mongoose wrote:
"Annoyingly I seem to be adding things I want to buy to the list faster than my finances allow me to clear them from the other end."
Mongoose, your list sounds very much like my wife's To Do list - the one she has for ME!
These lists never have any limit, unlike finances or time.
Let's see now, the last item she entered was "Buy more paper."
Sigh........
Mongoose wrote:
"Annoyingly I seem to be adding things I want to buy to the list faster than my finances allow me to clear them from the other end."
Mongoose, your list sounds very much like my wife's To Do list - the one she has for ME!
These lists never have any limit, unlike finances or time.
Let's see now, the last item she entered was "Buy more paper."
Sigh........
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