K200D - Raw vs Jpeg Noise at ISO 1600
Posted 09/06/2010 - 20:45
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I know some will criticise this on technical grounds, but not me. It has a wonderful spontaneous feel to it and the lack of flash helps. I love the warm, rich tone and the girl's expression.
A shot like this is, unlike, say, one of my rusty wagons, is unrepeatable and all the more valuable for that!
It's what, after all, photography does best. Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
A shot like this is, unlike, say, one of my rusty wagons, is unrepeatable and all the more valuable for that!
It's what, after all, photography does best. Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Best wishes,
Andrew
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
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Posted 09/06/2010 - 20:55
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Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
LOL, totally agree with your comments Andrew, it`s a cracking photo. Works well on lots of levels and proves that a GOOD photograph is more than a technical exercise.Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Davex.
Posted 09/06/2010 - 21:29
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Very decent results, I also see I'm pushing my K10D (same sensor) also a but further then before.
As long as the exposure is good or even slightly over exposed it's most of the time very good.
As long as the exposure is good or even slightly over exposed it's most of the time very good.
Posted 09/06/2010 - 22:16
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Just wait until "Joy" or "Happiness" comes up as a theme for the weekly comp.
The rest of us will have no chance vs. this!
Lovely.
Coker
The rest of us will have no chance vs. this!
Lovely.
Coker
The more I look, the more there is to see!
Posted 10/06/2010 - 00:06
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That's quite a noise difference! Interesting how the raw is so much pinker as well.
Tim
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Posted 10/06/2010 - 00:23
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thoughton wrote:
That's quite a noise difference! Interesting how the raw is so much pinker as well.
Most likely because the RAW is toned with software on the PC, RAW files come out the camera without any processing.
That's quite a noise difference! Interesting how the raw is so much pinker as well.
Posted 10/06/2010 - 08:09
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bwichmawr wrote:
A shot like this is, unlike, say, one of my rusty wagons,
Only one, Andrew? A shot like this is, unlike, say, one of my rusty wagons,
Will, I agree with the comments above also. It's certainly a substantial difference between RAW and the in camera jpg, and this is the sort of shot (marginal conditions as you've detailed) where that difference has clearly given you a useable shot.
Given the young couple is dancing, a bit of blur really adds to the feel of the shot anyway. These people have a really touching innocence about them.
Posted 10/06/2010 - 08:17
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As the first two comments.
A very good result..
Regards
A very good result..
bwichmawr wrote:
Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Been a while since I was in Wales but hadn't realised that the outside loo's are now roofless?Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 10/06/2010 - 11:17
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Great image, and I agree with all of the above comments. When I started processing my RAW images I was blown away by the control you have. Now I only shoot RAW.
Posted 10/06/2010 - 11:22
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K10D wrote:
As the first two comments.
A very good result..
Regards
In my climbing days, they usually had roofs, but were built over little streams. This is one reason I always took great care over the provenance of the drinking water while on camping trips.As the first two comments.
A very good result..
bwichmawr wrote:
Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Been a while since I was in Wales but hadn't realised that the outside loo's are now roofless?Anyone can stand about in a Welsh bog and wait for the clouds to look good over the mountains...
Regards
G
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Posted 10/06/2010 - 11:26
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bwichmawr wrote:
I know some will criticise this on technical grounds, but not me.
You say that as though criticism is wrong.I know some will criticise this on technical grounds, but not me.
Without criticism, or with uncritical praise, one can be lulled into thinking that one is a better photographer than one actually is.
G
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Posted 10/06/2010 - 18:24
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George Lazarette wrote:
Without criticism, or with uncritical praise, one can be lulled into thinking that one is a better photographer than one actually is.
G
No, I meant that a great picture can be technically imperfect.
bwichmawr wrote:
I know some will criticise this on technical grounds, but not me.
You say that as though criticism is wrong.I know some will criticise this on technical grounds, but not me.
Without criticism, or with uncritical praise, one can be lulled into thinking that one is a better photographer than one actually is.
G
Best wishes,
Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
My website: http://www.ephotozine.com/user/bwlchmawr-199050
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Posted 10/06/2010 - 18:33
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Pentaxophile wrote:
Thanks chaps. I guess when the subject is as glamorous as Yolanda, a bit of fuzziness doesn't matter... I'd almost go as far as to say it gives the shots a 'vintage photography' character
So vintage shots are grainy and blurred? Thanks chaps. I guess when the subject is as glamorous as Yolanda, a bit of fuzziness doesn't matter... I'd almost go as far as to say it gives the shots a 'vintage photography' character
Step this way Mr Bresson, no Mr Adams wait your turn - and Mr Brandt put that piece of 4x2 down!
I trust this will be taken in the spirit it's offered.
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These are crops viewed at 100%
In camera:
Raw:
I actually applied some grain to the raw capture.
This is the full image:
Yes its a blurry old shot - but it was taken indoors, low shutter speed and wide aperture etc, and of course they were moving.