K20 replacement
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 11:52
rbubbly wrote:
What I am saying is that the camera is in full touch screen mode at all times. Then when I put my left hand on the camera then the screen stops to function. It will only work when my left hand touches the screen. So there is no change of settings changing.
Another thought.
No battery grip a complete unit.
Then you can make the screen even bigger.
The Camera can be charged with out taking out the battery or batteries.
Plus run on electric when you want to.
A hard drive with 40GB built in.
You get everything when you by the body. Not have to get a charger or cable switch and remote control.
You get a complete camera package.
What I am saying is that the camera is in full touch screen mode at all times. Then when I put my left hand on the camera then the screen stops to function. It will only work when my left hand touches the screen. So there is no change of settings changing.
Another thought.
No battery grip a complete unit.
Then you can make the screen even bigger.
The Camera can be charged with out taking out the battery or batteries.
Plus run on electric when you want to.
A hard drive with 40GB built in.
You get everything when you by the body. Not have to get a charger or cable switch and remote control.
You get a complete camera package.
Also a "caddy" to carry it around for you, you have just designed one of the heaviest cameras around.
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 12:25
rbubbly wrote:
I will agree with that, but if we are looking a live view there is no nose in the way. Plus if the screen is user for more function then we do not need to look through the viewer. That could be removed also.
I will agree with that, but if we are looking a live view there is no nose in the way. Plus if the screen is user for more function then we do not need to look through the viewer. That could be removed also.
Then it would be a DSLR. If you don't want to use the viewer buy a bridge camera, a compact camera of a micro 4/3rds camera.
Have you ever tried focussing accurately using a screen or EVF? it is hard!
Last Edited by Gwyn on 22/07/2009 - 12:25
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 13:35
rbubbly wrote:
What I am saying is that the camera is in full touch screen mode at all times. Then when I put my left hand on the camera then the screen stops to function. It will only work when my left hand touches the screen. So there is no change of settings changing.
Another thought.
No battery grip a complete unit.
Then you can make the screen even bigger.
The Camera can be charged with out taking out the battery or batteries.
Plus run on electric when you want to.
A hard drive with 40GB built in.
You get everything when you by the body. Not have to get a charger or cable switch and remote control.
You get a complete camera package.
What I am saying is that the camera is in full touch screen mode at all times. Then when I put my left hand on the camera then the screen stops to function. It will only work when my left hand touches the screen. So there is no change of settings changing.
Another thought.
No battery grip a complete unit.
Then you can make the screen even bigger.
The Camera can be charged with out taking out the battery or batteries.
Plus run on electric when you want to.
A hard drive with 40GB built in.
You get everything when you by the body. Not have to get a charger or cable switch and remote control.
You get a complete camera package.
And maybe a 12-stop Shake Reduction
You don't work in InBev Quality Control do you??
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 14:49
"You don't work in InBev Quality Control do you??"
If I did would that make it better??
No I work in the Antwerp Harbor and love to drive E19 and the ring.....
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium
If I did would that make it better??
No I work in the Antwerp Harbor and love to drive E19 and the ring.....
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 15:01
But getting back to the K20 replacement.
I think some of the idea's I have put here are good. I am not saying all are or would ever be added to a new K model. But this is room for Improvements to be made. I understand the Oppositions to a touch screen. But I see somewhere down the line these type of changes to the SLR camera coming. More use of the screen as a fuctional tools. Rather than just sitting there blank most of the time.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium
I think some of the idea's I have put here are good. I am not saying all are or would ever be added to a new K model. But this is room for Improvements to be made. I understand the Oppositions to a touch screen. But I see somewhere down the line these type of changes to the SLR camera coming. More use of the screen as a fuctional tools. Rather than just sitting there blank most of the time.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 15:26
The trouble with a touch screen is 'is it needed and would it be better / faster?'
One thing I have found after handling other cameras is how good the ergonomics are on Pentax DSLRs. Keep your eye on the viewfinder and you can very easily change aperture, ISO, focus point etc without taking your eye away from your subject, you just cannot do that with a touch screen. One of the K-7's great strengths is it's responsiveness and handling, a touch screen really would ruin it in my humble opinion.
A touch screen would definately work really well on a P&S model though, touch for focus point being a good idea like the latest iPhone of all things! It could help reduce costs by getting rid of loads of buttons etc and either give you more LCD space or a smaller camera. But please keep the DSLRs as they are, keep them responsive and intuitive!
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One thing I have found after handling other cameras is how good the ergonomics are on Pentax DSLRs. Keep your eye on the viewfinder and you can very easily change aperture, ISO, focus point etc without taking your eye away from your subject, you just cannot do that with a touch screen. One of the K-7's great strengths is it's responsiveness and handling, a touch screen really would ruin it in my humble opinion.
A touch screen would definately work really well on a P&S model though, touch for focus point being a good idea like the latest iPhone of all things! It could help reduce costs by getting rid of loads of buttons etc and either give you more LCD space or a smaller camera. But please keep the DSLRs as they are, keep them responsive and intuitive!
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 20:37
I agree, i love the feel of my k20.The way it sits in my (small) hands.
In SRS it felt better than other brands.I like looking through the viewfinder,but would like a moveable screen.NOT to keen on the touch screen idea,but would like AF and lenses reviewed. Really not interested in video, bought mine to take still photographs !!!
For what it is worth,that is my opinion
In SRS it felt better than other brands.I like looking through the viewfinder,but would like a moveable screen.NOT to keen on the touch screen idea,but would like AF and lenses reviewed. Really not interested in video, bought mine to take still photographs !!!
For what it is worth,that is my opinion
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Posted 22/07/2009 - 20:58
I would like to see flip / slide live view screen as I fell that this could aid composure in sme circumstances & be folded away when not required. The touch screen would be nose operated so I think that's out. I'd like affordable shorter lenses as longer lenses can unbalance the unit. Perhaps the option to buy a basic unit & upgrade additional functions later if you like via firmware. Eg. the ability to record sound etc, but I don't want to pay for functions I don't need. My husband has real trouble using my K10 as he has to look through his left eye. Maybe a more central viewfinder? It might be nice if it could be a bit quieter too.
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Posted 23/07/2009 - 09:03
The question is Live view.
If we are going to use live view then the nose is not an issue here.
I would not use the view then correct?
But like I said before adding a infrared sensor either by the eye view or when I put my left hand back on the camera again the touch screen is disabled.
Mobile phone like the Iphone are only touch screen and I do not know of anyone having a problem making a phone call and dialing the wrong number.
As for using your left eye in the viewer, I have been using cameras for over 20 + year with my left eye with never a problem. What type of problems does your husband run into in regards to using his left eye?
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium
If we are going to use live view then the nose is not an issue here.
I would not use the view then correct?
But like I said before adding a infrared sensor either by the eye view or when I put my left hand back on the camera again the touch screen is disabled.
Mobile phone like the Iphone are only touch screen and I do not know of anyone having a problem making a phone call and dialing the wrong number.
As for using your left eye in the viewer, I have been using cameras for over 20 + year with my left eye with never a problem. What type of problems does your husband run into in regards to using his left eye?
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
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Posted 23/07/2009 - 10:42
Hi Rbubbly, my husband is left eyed & right handed & just finds it awkward to use the viewfinder as it is off set to the left. This means that you also loose the ability to scan the image with the right eye as the body of the camera gets in the way. His right eye is less good at focusing but ok for general view. I don't think I'm expressing myself very well. Maybe there is an add on that would allow the viewfinder to angle?
Caz
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Another thought.
No battery grip a complete unit.
Then you can make the screen even bigger.
The Camera can be charged with out taking out the battery or batteries.
Plus run on electric when you want to.
A hard drive with 40GB built in.
You get everything when you by the body. Not have to get a charger or cable switch and remote control.
You get a complete camera package.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium