K20 replacement


Pentaxophile

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 15:34
What Gwyn says makes sense, it has to be said. But Pentax do need to keep up with the Joneses (HD video, HDR etc) or they'll be left behind... and then there'll be no new lenses, ever

Perhaps from a business point of view, Pentax should come up with something intermediate between the K200 and the K20, including the gimmicks like HDR/HD etc, reserving the top drawer stuff like the pentaprism for the K7.
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BODYHEAT

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 22:51
Pentaxophile wrote:
TonyM wrote:
Get proper live-view with a flippable screen! And give live-view a separate button, so you don't have to dis-engage the other preview methods.

Yes, a flip screen would be great! (Should have been on the K7!)

I was told by one well known camera dealer that the Nikon D5000 with the flippable screen is barely selling compared to their other models, despite all their advertising. He said he can not even give it away (exaggeration to make a point before anyone jumps on this).

I think the flip out screen is a gimmick that people will get sick of. I would rather have a camera built like a tank I can take to the beach or up a mountain without worrying about it being too delicate or susceptible to the elements
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TonyM

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 22:58
Bodyheat - I'm very wary of gimmicky things, but in this instance I think the ability to move the screen is a natural progression. I don't know if you've ever used a camera with this facility - before I had the Fuji I saw it as pretty gimmicky, but I soon found myself using it: shoot from the hip, as the lomo guys would say!

Tony

BODYHEAT

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 23:15
TonyM wrote:
Bodyheat - I'm very wary of gimmicky things, but in this instance I think the ability to move the screen is a natural progression. I don't know if you've ever used a camera with this facility - before I had the Fuji I saw it as pretty gimmicky, but I soon found myself using it: shoot from the hip, as the lomo guys would say!

Tony

To be honest Tony I thought I wanted Live View since it is very useful in a P&S, but I find it an irritation in a DSLR and prefer to use the VF for everything, so I wouldn't use the flip out screen most likely in a DSLR. The very first time I saw a flip out screen I thought wow I want one of those, but now it leaves me cold. but we're all different in what turns us on. The novelty wore off quickly for me
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DIGITAL - Nikon : D300 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR DX

Pentaxophile

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 23:15
TonyM wrote:
Bodyheat - I'm very wary of gimmicky things, but in this instance I think the ability to move the screen is a natural progression. I don't know if you've ever used a camera with this facility - before I had the Fuji I saw it as pretty gimmicky, but I soon found myself using it: shoot from the hip, as the lomo guys would say!

Tony

Totally, Tony. I used to have an Oly 5060 and I really miss that flip screen sometimes. I used to make full use of it, for unusual angles and candids etc.

The Olympus 5060 was a camera for which the phrase 'tank-like' was invented, as well.
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beginner

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 23:24
I think we have reached a stage where we don't need any more features,we have more than enough in the K20 and K7!....fair enough faster AF and FPS for the action men, but thats about it. It has yet to be shown if better image quality is to come out of the K7,but in the K10 and K20 we have 2 camera's that can produce superb images. I believe the way forward is in top class lens's, more in the DA* range would be nice!. We are in the main DSLR user's, if I wanted video I would buy a vid camera that was made for the job, and as for freeview is concerned it's just what you see through the viewfinder so is it needed?......but there again what do I know!
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TonyM

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 23:32
Beginner - I think "freeview" is on the tele - and I wouldn't want to watch that through a viewfinder! I complained about liveview () and got into trouble, but a proper implementation is, I think, useful as it does enable you to take the camera away from your face and experiment with different views. I love giving cameras to my 5 and 7 year olds because their take on the world is so different from 2 feet further down!

Tony
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beginner

Link Posted 21/07/2009 - 23:33
Silly Me!
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loskeran

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 09:00
Quote:
I was told by one well known camera dealer that the Nikon D5000 with the flippable screen is barely selling compared to their other models, despite all their advertising. He said he can not even give it away (exaggeration to make a point before anyone jumps on this).


Well would you buy a "starter" DSLR at £630? even with a £75 cash back offer? I also note that the I D60 is selling out all over! it is a matter of what people will pay for some thing.
judging by what has been written above, Pentax should bring out 3 versions of the same “K30” one with all the “gimmicks” ,one with some and one with none at all .
would that please every body? I doubt it.

rbubbly

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 09:04
I think it is time for Pentax to take a quantum jump with software that can replace the mechanical buttons on the camera.
If mobile phones have touch screens and GPS nav systems why not Pentax Camera’s
User the screen in back of the camera for items like the Mode dial
When viewing a photo have a touch zoom fuction.
Tap the screen 2 times and go to live view.
Tap the right side of the screen and a vertical level
Tap the bottom of the screen have horizontal level With or without live view.

With removing mechanical buttons on the camera you free up space inside for better software that is user friendly.
Both advanced or beginner function window on the screen.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium

Telstar

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 09:50
Touch screens have one major issue on cameras, they become 'nose' operated screens very quickly, often when not required!
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rbubbly

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 10:19
I will agree with that, but if we are looking a live view there is no nose in the way. Plus if the screen is user for more function then we do not need to look through the viewer. That could be removed also.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium

Pwynnej

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 10:27
Telstar wrote:
Touch screens have one major issue on cameras, they become 'nose' operated screens very quickly, often when not required!

I was thinking the same thing....the K10D/K20D gives me everything that I need.....my nose is big and greasy, who kows what settings I will set if we had a touch pad operated camera
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rbubbly

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 10:28
Or as long as my left hand it used to touch the screen all is active. But once I put my left hand back on the camera to take my shot or shots the camera then stops the touch screen until I need to use it again.
left hand on the camera no touch screen. Left hand off the camera touch screen is active. Can be done with a infrared sensor when the left hand makes contact with the camera.
Rbubbly
K20D, *istDL, MZ5, MX and MV
Leuven Belgium

Pwynnej

Link Posted 22/07/2009 - 10:42
I think the fumes from the Inbev Stella Artois and Leffe brewery may have affected your logic Rbubbly.....

I look at a Heineken brewery (Zouterwoede-dorp) so my senses are less affected...

Your idea sounds logical in theory..... but this would demand a button that is easily accessible and operatable to start up the touch screen, yet discreet enough that you can't press it my accident...On my K10D I often change setting by accident...

Personally I thought we had already come to saturation point of high-end features in our cameras....How many more people do the camera makers want to attract from the compact users?? Those of us who have used SLRs for some time consider the image as the most important factor. According to Geoff Crawley in AP we might still be some way from achieving equivalence to the best films - so we will hope that the image the camera produces improves in the area of exposure and sharpness, we don't need live-view or video or whatever....

Peter
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Metz 45 CL-4, AF500FTZ. AF540FGZ.
Some Mamiya and some Nikon
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