K10D Bracketing in manual

Made some photos today and wanted to bracket them but I notice also the aperture change and I thought I had locked that somehow once... I can't find it in the manual so fast.
Can any one help me?

I know you can use Av and did used that but I want to use M so comments that I should use Av won't be excepted

Stefan,

Exposure Bracketing is on 163 - 166 in my copy of the English language K10D Manual.
It seems to suggest on p.164 that it is the Ev that ought to be changing as per the steps that are set by the user. No mention of aperture here?

Aside from the instruction booklet though, if the K10 is being used in Manual mode, it then uses the shutter and aperture combined to set the correct exposure value (Ev). While in Manual mode, we cannot access exposure compensation.

That tells us something - I expect that the only way the camera can do bracketing in Manual mode, is to change either the aperture or shutter speed.

I'm not sure this helps you though Stefan...

No it doesn't I-berg but still thanks, I was hoping you could set the aperture on a set value in manual mode so that it would bracket with shutter-speed only, I was pretty sure you could do that somehow...

Stefan, if you find it, would you please let me know?

You can't bracket automatically in manual. In manual you are telling the camera exactly what you want it to do, so you just change the shutter speed yourself to "bracket".

Hence "manual"!

Will do I-berg

but John you've the bracket option in manual though, I thought you could control it with Tv shift but that isn't true.

I set to M and then flick through 7-11 exposures from almost black to almost white.

snap - twist - snap - twist -
(i think you get the point!)

Bret

I've just tried this on the K20, which I'd imagine is similar, set to normal/under/over 1 stop on 3 exposures. The results are 250 @ f2.4/350 @ f2.8/180 @ f2.

This make me think that maybe the camera utilises some sort of hybrid P mode?

Hyper-Manual is the phrase I think! However, it's not difficult to change the shutter speed in manual mode and achieve any bracketing we want, rather quicker than trying to find an automatic way to do it....

Yes I know but I didn't had a tripod so used my bag and a remote, touching the camera would than have resulted in shifting of the frame so that isn't an acceptable option.
Even if it was on a tripod, touching it that way can make your camera move as well.

Yeah same here, I thought it was following MTF rule so tried to change all the option that was set on that without any effect.

Yes, I remember reading about Hyper Manual in the book and promptly forgot all about it

I use my camera in M most of the time - its quicker and easier.

For the same reason I never use electronic calculators, they are just too painfully slow. I can also repair a chronometer whilst wearing motorcyclist's gauntlets...

Well I found a way.
When you've EV compensation set on the front e-dial in Av mode you can lock your exposure and turn that E-dial to change your shutter-speed and the back E-dial to change aperture (together with the shutter-speed because the camera maintains exposure) and in that mode bracketing does not change the aperture although I was hoping I could find a way in M mode to do that.

I have the rear dial set to aperture and the from dial to exposure compensation in Av mode, which is one of the options, just as you describe. This is what I use for HDR.

I'm beginning to think I've lived too long.