K-5 - wow!!


Marky

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 06:06
I'd been asked to shoot a friends wedding and didnt feel that my K-20/GX20 was upto the job so hired i a K-5 and 16-50 2.8 from SRS.

All i can say is wow! The image quality, autofocus speed and in particular the dymanic range and high iso performance left me speechless!

With my K-20 at iso 3200 i have little DR and have to spend a helluva lot of time afterward cleaning up the noise. with the K-5 i was shooting at iso 8000 (for a couple of shots) and they cleaned up easily in lightroom and still had plenty of dynamic range.

The down side to all this is that i now really want a K-5 and dont really want to use the K-20 anymore!

Fletcher8

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 07:51
Yes the K5 is great camera, for my wife to approve of me spending money on one, then wanting one herself it must be very, very good. All you have to do now is save, or sell your old kit to help fund a K5.
Fletcher8.

johnriley

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 07:58
The k20D is still a very capable camera, so success with your wedding photography is possible with that as well as with a K-5. However, you have made valid points about some aspects of the performance, so who could be surprised that you would want a K-5 having tried it.

The K20D still fetches good prices so maybe ebay will help raise some cash towards it. Don't forget that for shooting weddings you will need backup camera and lenses, just in case something goes wrong with any of the kit. Or indeed in case something gets damaged.
Best regards, John

gartmore

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 08:16
I shoot weddings professionaly and have never gone faster than 200ISO, then again I haven't shot one in a coal mine yet...

3200 and 8000 ?
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Mannesty

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 08:30
I think you were very brave going to ISO 8000 on the K5 when you were clearly disappointed with ISO 3200 images from the K20D.

There is no real reason to use such a high ISO at an important event. Why not use flash when you need more light.

What would you have said to the newly weds if your shots had turned out unusably noisy?
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Last Edited by Mannesty on 07/05/2012 - 08:30

obione

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 08:41
gartmore wrote:
I shoot weddings professionaly and have never gone faster than 200ISO, then again I haven't shot one in a coal mine yet...

3200 and 8000 ?

if you shoot in a coal mine 1.7 is better than a 2.2,
but a 9mm is close up and personal.
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Last Edited by obione on 07/05/2012 - 08:42

vic cross

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 08:49
Back in the days of films I shot weddings on a 645 with (ASA) now ISO 160 which was for skin tones and you set your camera and flash to suit the film speed. As backup for really bad days I carried ISO 400. I carried a 35mm Z1p with the same rated films as backup. Why oh why did you need to go so high with the ISO??????. One studio that I shot for only used 35mm and used only 100ASA Fuji Reala.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 09:09
Mannesty wrote:
I think you were very brave going to ISO 8000 on the K5 when you were clearly disappointed with ISO 3200 images from the K20D.

There is no real reason to use such a high ISO at an important event. Why not use flash when you need more light.

What would you have said to the newly weds if your shots had turned out unusably noisy?

And destroy the mood on the dance floor at the reception? Although I'd try and limit it to ISO6400 is possible

btw ISO8000 on K-5 is much better than ISO3200 on K20D IMO.

as Marky testifies

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With my K-20 at iso 3200 i have little DR and have to spend a helluva lot of time afterward cleaning up the noise. with the K-5 i was shooting at iso 8000 (for a couple of shots) and they cleaned up easily in lightroom and still had plenty of dynamic range.

but as he says it's only for a couple of shots. Obviously shooting the whole wedding at 8000 would be silly, and indeed unneccesary
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Hyram

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 09:18
Marky only mentioned the wedding, nothing about a reception or a dance floor. It might have been a Caribbean beach wedding

But it does highlight the idea of renting gear from SRS to see what you think of the latest kit before rushing out and buying.
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womble

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 10:09
I almost never push my K20D beyond 400. After that the noise is just too horrible for my taste. If I need anything faster I load some Fuji Neopan 1600 into my LX!

One day I'll get a K-5, but probably when everyone else is using whatever comes next.

K.
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davidstorm

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 10:14
Another benefit of the K-5 as briefly mentioned by Marky is the significantly better autofocus. It has transformed my 55-300 into a usable lens for wildlife, on the the K-x it would 'hunt' regularly but on the K-5 it locks on straight away and focusses very accurately.

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johnriley

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 10:16
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But it does highlight the idea of renting gear from SRS to see what you think of the latest kit before rushing out and buying

It's a good idea, but I always find a bargain and then I jump in quick while it's available, so it probably makes sense for more considered purchases to rent first.

I suppose it depends how much the rental is, as that would need to be factored into the final cost, as opposed to buying and then perhaps reselling on Ebay if it didn't suit.

Actually, on reflection there's a period of time during which items can often be returned anyway.
Best regards, John

tigershoot

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 10:45
I did a wedding about 18 months ago with the K20D. I used ISO3200 out of necessity. The day was spectacularly dull for a start so when we were in the ante-room waiting to go into the registry office there was very little natural light coming in. I wanted to catch shots of the bride and her dad as they nervously chatted. Flash would have intruded and would have never got the same effect. OK the images were noisy but they were just what I wanted. I have since got a K-5 but have not yet had the chance of a wedding.
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Marky

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 14:16
Just a few things.

I had tried the camera out first at high iso first to see what i thought was acceptable. I rarely shot that high but there were a couple of instances where it was necessary and id rather have a shot at iso8000 than non at all or a blurry one. I'd also say iso 8000 looks better than 1600 on the K-20. Yes, there is noise on the K-5 but its very fine and on an A4 test print doesnt impact on the image quality (IMHO).

I didnt really want to use flash from the back of the church during the ceromony, I also didnt think it would have the reach either.

I had a friend there who also had a K-5 which was my first back up, then my K-20 as a second back up, so at least i was prepared for camera failure!

Mannesty

Link Posted 07/05/2012 - 15:03
Mannesty wrote:
There is no real reason to use such a high ISO at an important event.

I just looked at some of the evening shots that I took at my son's wedding in March, and . . . I retract what I previously wrote (in haste).

Towards the end of the evening I got bored with taking 'proper' shots and started playing. I set the camera to TAv mode and what I thought were appropriate enough settings for shutter speed and aperture, and fired away.

This is one of a few that I took at ISO 51200. Image quality is obviously degraded at such a high ISO, but I'm quite happy with it as a record shot.




Model PENTAX K-5
ISO 51200
Exposure 1/250 sec
Aperture 1.4
Focal Length 55mm (SMCP-DA* 55mm SDM)
Flash Used false
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Last Edited by Mannesty on 07/05/2012 - 15:10
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