Is this a game change?
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Posted 27/02/2012 - 16:34
Hmm I think it might - but as you said - it might only change the game for compact cameras - it will not change the market for devices for good photos.
All these high resolution chips in tiny cameras do not really impress me - as long, as you have no viewfinder that allows you to concentrate on the photo. I also have such a compact camera as backup or for underwater pictures - but it is not comparable with working with a real camera - and this new Nokia - although impressive technical details, falls under the same category.....
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All these high resolution chips in tiny cameras do not really impress me - as long, as you have no viewfinder that allows you to concentrate on the photo. I also have such a compact camera as backup or for underwater pictures - but it is not comparable with working with a real camera - and this new Nokia - although impressive technical details, falls under the same category.....
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Colors are the lack of darkness
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Posted 27/02/2012 - 17:23
The main problem this will have in a camera-phone is the JPEG compression. If this was available in a D-SLR, I'd expect the image size to measure around 18,000 x 12,500 (ish) at standard JPEG compression. Put it another way - the picture size would be about 3x what the current size is for a 14Mp camera, such as the Kr!! 
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Posted 03/03/2012 - 20:41
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as long, as you have no viewfinder that allows you to concentrate on the photo.
as long, as you have no viewfinder that allows you to concentrate on the photo.
Dare I suggest that the generation below you would not see this as an issue at all...! My kids find it puzzling that daddies new camera needs 'peeping through' and have always composed images in a screen...
My 10 year old composed this without the use of a viewfinder...
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Posted 03/03/2012 - 21:03
He was lucky it was a cloudy day so he could see the screen. 
John
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John
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Last Edited by JAK on 03/03/2012 - 21:04
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 05:48
Try composing and focusing a manual lens on a camera without a VF. Not that easy without the camera pressed against your forehead. One handed shake anyone ?
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Nikon. D800. D600. Sigma 500/4.5, Nikon 300/2.8 VRII, Sigma 120-300/2.8, Zeiss Distagon ZF2 21/2.8, Zeiss Distagon ZF2 35/2.0, Sigma 50/1.4, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikon TC20EIII, Nikon TC14EII, Kenko x1.4, Sigma 2.0
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 09:07
One hand under the lens, supporting the camera and turning the focusing ring. The other holding the right edge of the camera, ready to press the shutter release. The added stability bonus is pressing the camera to the face to look through the viewfinder.
However, given SR, the K-01 for example should be fine without that third point of stability. The smaller cameras are more difficult to keep still and personally I think it takes much more care to ensure a really sharp image.
The MF issue is a very relevant one - I rarely use a lens on manual focus unless it's a macro lens, but I do use QuickShift as required. I would only use MF with a mirrorless camera or Live View on a tripod, in which case it isn't a problem.
Best regards, John
However, given SR, the K-01 for example should be fine without that third point of stability. The smaller cameras are more difficult to keep still and personally I think it takes much more care to ensure a really sharp image.
The MF issue is a very relevant one - I rarely use a lens on manual focus unless it's a macro lens, but I do use QuickShift as required. I would only use MF with a mirrorless camera or Live View on a tripod, in which case it isn't a problem.
Best regards, John
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 10:20
Don't forget your trying to compose on a 3 inch screen
You won't be able to see tiny details as you would with a
100% life size SLR screen...... OK I suppose if you only
want to make and are happy with 3 inch prints 
Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
You won't be able to see tiny details as you would with a
100% life size SLR screen...... OK I suppose if you only
want to make and are happy with 3 inch prints
Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 10:32
Frogfish wrote:
Try composing and focusing a manual lens on a camera without a VF. Not that easy without the camera pressed against your forehead. One handed shake anyone ?
Try composing and focusing a manual lens on a camera without a VF. Not that easy without the camera pressed against your forehead. One handed shake anyone ?
I take a lot (possibly most) of my pictures that way these days (manually focussing AF lenses mind) and feel my photography has benefited from doing so
Tripod and live view zoomed X10 anyone
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Mike
Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 10:36
Perhaps we'll come full circle and end up using tripods and carrying a black cloth to put over our heads. At least the image won't be upside-down and laterally reversed. 
Best regards, John
Best regards, John
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Posted 04/03/2012 - 10:39
with my looks a black cloth over my head sounds a good idea 
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Mike
Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2
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Mike
Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2
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Nokia 808 camera Phone.
Does this sort of device change the game for compact camera makers?
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