Image Critique Request
Posted 15/07/2014 - 17:16 - Helpful Comment
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Hi Fletcher8
Personally I think the latest version is almost there and it's a beautiful family portrait. Although I still believe that the boy's eyes and the girl's on the right of the picture still look slight unnatural.
I often hark back to something I was once told by an an extremely good family portrait photographer who makes an incredibly lucrative living from this genre. When he presents the images to his clients not one single person of the hundreds he's worked for has said 'Thats a great image, but the f-stop could have done to be slightly wider or the whites are a little burnt out there' At the end of the day all they see is the beautiful smiles of their kids, and I'm sure the parents family will love this image.
Personally I think the latest version is almost there and it's a beautiful family portrait. Although I still believe that the boy's eyes and the girl's on the right of the picture still look slight unnatural.
I often hark back to something I was once told by an an extremely good family portrait photographer who makes an incredibly lucrative living from this genre. When he presents the images to his clients not one single person of the hundreds he's worked for has said 'Thats a great image, but the f-stop could have done to be slightly wider or the whites are a little burnt out there' At the end of the day all they see is the beautiful smiles of their kids, and I'm sure the parents family will love this image.
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Posted 15/07/2014 - 19:33 - Helpful Comment
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Hullman, your point above is right in one aspect ... If there are technical deficiencies in a family portrait photographers professional work then yes, most clients won't say anything. But many won't go back ever again.
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Posted 15/07/2014 - 20:04 - Helpful Comment
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I agree with Stuart - in this group the boy does look a little strained. Also the skin tones don't seem quite right - a bit too pale and, as Nigel commented, slightly yellow. Perhaps the whole image needs a bit less brightness, together with a hint of pink in the skin. The surroundings look better in their natural colours, but they could be toned down to make them less imposing, with both a gentle vignette and a slight reduction in saturation. E.g. -

Just my opinions, of course.
Cheers.
Philip

Just my opinions, of course.
Cheers.
Philip
Posted 15/07/2014 - 23:00 - Helpful Comment
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For me the last one is preferable. I've avoided commenting on this before now as I don't feel qualified, I'm no expert in portraits. However, I've succumbed to temptation and so I'll give an opinion based on what my gut feel is and what I like / don't like.
I don't like the feet, for me they clutter the image
I like the pose (except the feet)
I don't like the bright area of grass behind the people
I like the eyes in the third shot, but not in the first one
I'm not sure about the grass in front of the people, it is a little distracting, but not a massive issue for me
I like the natural setting
It's a nice image and one that a lot of people would be delighted with, so my critique may be harsh, but this is a photography Forum (isn't it?) and if we don't give honest feedback it's not worth giving any. If this were my shot I would get rid of the feet and crop it to a more letterbox format.
Hope this is helpful!
Regards
David
I don't like the feet, for me they clutter the image
I like the pose (except the feet)
I don't like the bright area of grass behind the people
I like the eyes in the third shot, but not in the first one
I'm not sure about the grass in front of the people, it is a little distracting, but not a massive issue for me
I like the natural setting
It's a nice image and one that a lot of people would be delighted with, so my critique may be harsh, but this is a photography Forum (isn't it?) and if we don't give honest feedback it's not worth giving any. If this were my shot I would get rid of the feet and crop it to a more letterbox format.
Hope this is helpful!
Regards
David
Posted 15/07/2014 - 23:30
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Thanks everyone, all valid points and things to improve on next time which will be on Saturday. On a plus point I have had three other families interested in having some outdoor family portraits taken, since seeing other images from this shoot. I am certainly no expert at portraits, but we all have to start somewhere and the more I do the better I will get.
Regards Fletcher8
Regards Fletcher8
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Posted 16/07/2014 - 03:56 - Helpful Comment
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Much better. I was going to suggest some vignetting to centre the eye towards the subjects. I'd darken the top middle a bit more as well.
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Posted 16/07/2014 - 08:11 - Helpful Comment
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A lot of good sense has been put forward. I've been looking at the image for a while and the arrangement is basically a great idea. The pitfall for me is the melee of feet. If this were one person then the feet could be arranged neatly, whereas here they are pretty much all over the place. I would have either choreographed the feet to be all the same pose, or not included them at all.
Remove the feet from the equation and we have a nice triangular composition.
Remove the feet from the equation and we have a nice triangular composition.
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Posted 16/07/2014 - 08:52
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"Remove the feet from the equation and we have a nice triangular composition"
Thanks John, those few words have really helped me think about composition for future shots.
I think the posing of people is one of the hardest aspects of photography I am learning, people state that they don't want formal poses, so I am trying to make things look relaxed, but its not as easy as it looks in the books.
However, I am getting better eye contact which has also taken me a while to learn, but I am slowly getting their. I just hope i remember things this Saturday as I am shooting two families, one of the families with a baby which will no doubt be an experience in itself.
Thanks again to everyone for their thoughts and suggestions, I really appreciate it.
Fletcher8
Thanks John, those few words have really helped me think about composition for future shots.
I think the posing of people is one of the hardest aspects of photography I am learning, people state that they don't want formal poses, so I am trying to make things look relaxed, but its not as easy as it looks in the books.
However, I am getting better eye contact which has also taken me a while to learn, but I am slowly getting their. I just hope i remember things this Saturday as I am shooting two families, one of the families with a baby which will no doubt be an experience in itself.
Thanks again to everyone for their thoughts and suggestions, I really appreciate it.
Fletcher8
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Posted 17/07/2014 - 13:43
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The feet look terrible and unfortunately it wouldn't be much
better if you chopped their feet off
The boy in the middle needs to be fully visible and the two
girls swung left and right so that their feet are cropped off
at the edge of the frame and their bodies form perspective
lines. Move them about a bit possibly include one set of feet in
at the side.
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better if you chopped their feet off
The boy in the middle needs to be fully visible and the two
girls swung left and right so that their feet are cropped off
at the edge of the frame and their bodies form perspective
lines. Move them about a bit possibly include one set of feet in
at the side.
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Posted 17/07/2014 - 15:00 - Helpful Comment
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tyronet2000 wrote:
The only minus for me is the boy's head looks a bit disembodied and not really a part of the picture. I can't see what could be done to improve this
Agree with this and he looks a little strained too. Perhaps if he was using his shoulders to prop himself up a bit (against his mother and sister) it would have been better. This might have helped obscure the feet too! Easy in retrospect though isn't it. It's a nice shot and I'm sure they'll love it.The only minus for me is the boy's head looks a bit disembodied and not really a part of the picture. I can't see what could be done to improve this
Like the vignette treatment. Using such a vignetter to darken the feet and perhaps adding a bit of blur may further help.
Posted 17/07/2014 - 20:32
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I'd quite like to see the image straight out of the camera before commenting in depth but i do find the feet almost becoming the subject
Ken
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Posted 18/07/2014 - 09:43
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Ken, If I still have the RAW file, I will just convert to JPEG and upload it.
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Definitely well on your way.
Wish i could take shots like this.
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