I would like your opinion Please
Posted 12/03/2010 - 22:15
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Stefan Stefan Stefan There's no point trying to compare prices of the CPU and hard drive and telling me I can get the same thing for £1000 less. Just look at those two computers. Open them up and look inside. They're not the same thing at all.
The hardware costs are largely irrelevant anyway. I want to run OS X. I want the iLife software integration. I want the iPhone integration. I like the design philosophy. The only way to get all of this is to buy a Mac. Is it more expensive than a PC? Yes, it often is. Is it worth it? Oh HELL yes!
If I could run OS X on that HPz400 (without any software update or compatibility hassles) it's possible I would buy one. I don't have a burning desire to use Apple hardware. It's all about the user experience. Most of that is the software, although there is also a certain pleasure in using a beautifully designed and engineered machine.
The hardware costs are largely irrelevant anyway. I want to run OS X. I want the iLife software integration. I want the iPhone integration. I like the design philosophy. The only way to get all of this is to buy a Mac. Is it more expensive than a PC? Yes, it often is. Is it worth it? Oh HELL yes!
If I could run OS X on that HPz400 (without any software update or compatibility hassles) it's possible I would buy one. I don't have a burning desire to use Apple hardware. It's all about the user experience. Most of that is the software, although there is also a certain pleasure in using a beautifully designed and engineered machine.
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Posted 12/03/2010 - 22:27
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ripstar74 wrote:
I`m not suggesting the OP buys one , just bringing them to everyones attention and commenting that i think its a very innovative machine. Thats all.
You are obviousley very attatched to Apple products judging by your somewhat aggresive defense of the products, and good for you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right?
My opinion is they are overpriced. This is an open forum and if i want to state that i think they are overpriced i should be able to do so without being attacked from all angles by someone who disagrees.
thoughton wrote:
You are completely off your rocker
First you complain that Mac laptops are 3 times the cost of PC laptops.
Now you are suggesting the Lenovo W700.
A MacBook Pro costs between £900 and £1900 depending on configuration. I won't bother listing the prices of the cheaper Macbooks.
A quick look on Google Shopping tells me that your Lenovo W700 costs between £1400 and £4000(!!!).
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Just to TRY and get the thread back on track, did anyone look at the Lenovo W700? The more i see about it the better it gets. Not only does it have a graphics tablet built in AND a retractable second screen, it ALSO has a built screen calibrator ! WOW.
Just to TRY and get the thread back on track, did anyone look at the Lenovo W700? The more i see about it the better it gets. Not only does it have a graphics tablet built in AND a retractable second screen, it ALSO has a built screen calibrator ! WOW.
You are completely off your rocker
First you complain that Mac laptops are 3 times the cost of PC laptops.
Now you are suggesting the Lenovo W700.
A MacBook Pro costs between £900 and £1900 depending on configuration. I won't bother listing the prices of the cheaper Macbooks.
A quick look on Google Shopping tells me that your Lenovo W700 costs between £1400 and £4000(!!!).
I`m not suggesting the OP buys one , just bringing them to everyones attention and commenting that i think its a very innovative machine. Thats all.
You are obviousley very attatched to Apple products judging by your somewhat aggresive defense of the products, and good for you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right?
My opinion is they are overpriced. This is an open forum and if i want to state that i think they are overpriced i should be able to do so without being attacked from all angles by someone who disagrees.
Look, I don't want you to feel like you're being attacked. My 'aggressive defense' was simply a reaction to your initial post. I felt you entered the thread with a factually inaccurate and condescending single line post. Volatile stuff, especially when it's the old Mac vs PC thing Shall we call it a draw?
Tim
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 00:01
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I agree they would not be 100% the same hardware wise since the motherboard would be different but performance wise they should be equal and that for me makes it hard to say the Mac pro is worth to be 30% more expnesive.
Just something within me says it's wrong and that I could better spend that money I save on a better processor or even a new lens. But everyone their choice.
As for the OSX like I said Apple hasn't fixed the user agreement yet so you are allowed to install it on a PC not according to Apple but according the law, well at least for sure in the Netherlands.
Ah yes design is certainly worth something and Apple are quality products I don't question that but a Mac or PC will be standing next to me on the ground under the desk so no need to look fancy I just want performance from the thing so silent as possible.
Of course a laptop is another deal, I need to buy a Macbook for my studies.
I hope they've update to intel i5 by then with the new nvidia card, those look impressive for the laptop. When you don't use them they don't go idle but totally shutdown. You can even pull them out when the notebook is still running.
If Mac would be an open system like windows I'm sure the prices of the Apple products would be more comparable and hopefully put some pressure on Apple to keep the hardware more up to date.
I don't think it would be bad.
Just something within me says it's wrong and that I could better spend that money I save on a better processor or even a new lens. But everyone their choice.
As for the OSX like I said Apple hasn't fixed the user agreement yet so you are allowed to install it on a PC not according to Apple but according the law, well at least for sure in the Netherlands.
Ah yes design is certainly worth something and Apple are quality products I don't question that but a Mac or PC will be standing next to me on the ground under the desk so no need to look fancy I just want performance from the thing so silent as possible.
Of course a laptop is another deal, I need to buy a Macbook for my studies.
I hope they've update to intel i5 by then with the new nvidia card, those look impressive for the laptop. When you don't use them they don't go idle but totally shutdown. You can even pull them out when the notebook is still running.
If Mac would be an open system like windows I'm sure the prices of the Apple products would be more comparable and hopefully put some pressure on Apple to keep the hardware more up to date.
I don't think it would be bad.
Stefan
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 01:17
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robbie_d, thoughton, Stefan, Ripstar 74, I hope you guys don't meet up at a bar.
Steven
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 11:23
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thoughton wrote:
Look, I don't want you to feel like you're being attacked. My 'aggressive defense' was simply a reaction to your initial post. I felt you entered the thread with a factually inaccurate and condescending single line post. Volatile stuff, especially when it's the old Mac vs PC thing Shall we call it a draw?
ripstar74 wrote:
I`m not suggesting the OP buys one , just bringing them to everyones attention and commenting that i think its a very innovative machine. Thats all.
You are obviousley very attatched to Apple products judging by your somewhat aggresive defense of the products, and good for you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right?
My opinion is they are overpriced. This is an open forum and if i want to state that i think they are overpriced i should be able to do so without being attacked from all angles by someone who disagrees.
Quote:
You are completely off your rocker
First you complain that Mac laptops are 3 times the cost of PC laptops.
Now you are suggesting the Lenovo W700.
A MacBook Pro costs between £900 and £1900 depending on configuration. I won't bother listing the prices of the cheaper Macbooks.
A quick look on Google Shopping tells me that your Lenovo W700 costs between £1400 and £4000(!!!).
ripstar74 wrote:
Just to TRY and get the thread back on track, did anyone look at the Lenovo W700? The more i see about it the better it gets. Not only does it have a graphics tablet built in AND a retractable second screen, it ALSO has a built screen calibrator ! WOW.
Just to TRY and get the thread back on track, did anyone look at the Lenovo W700? The more i see about it the better it gets. Not only does it have a graphics tablet built in AND a retractable second screen, it ALSO has a built screen calibrator ! WOW.
You are completely off your rocker
First you complain that Mac laptops are 3 times the cost of PC laptops.
Now you are suggesting the Lenovo W700.
A MacBook Pro costs between £900 and £1900 depending on configuration. I won't bother listing the prices of the cheaper Macbooks.
A quick look on Google Shopping tells me that your Lenovo W700 costs between £1400 and £4000(!!!).
I`m not suggesting the OP buys one , just bringing them to everyones attention and commenting that i think its a very innovative machine. Thats all.
You are obviousley very attatched to Apple products judging by your somewhat aggresive defense of the products, and good for you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right?
My opinion is they are overpriced. This is an open forum and if i want to state that i think they are overpriced i should be able to do so without being attacked from all angles by someone who disagrees.
Look, I don't want you to feel like you're being attacked. My 'aggressive defense' was simply a reaction to your initial post. I felt you entered the thread with a factually inaccurate and condescending single line post. Volatile stuff, especially when it's the old Mac vs PC thing Shall we call it a draw?
Ok, its a draw.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 15:54
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For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
Run for the hills.........
Run for the hills.........
Kris Lockyear
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It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:03
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womble wrote:
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
If it can be used to store photos then it might be handy, does it have support for PEF or DNG?
The screen is large enough to make a decent guess if the photo is good or not.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:44
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Anvh wrote:
If it can be used to store photos then it might be handy, does it have support for PEF or DNG?
The screen is large enough to make a decent guess if the photo is good or not.
womble wrote:
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
If it can be used to store photos then it might be handy, does it have support for PEF or DNG?
The screen is large enough to make a decent guess if the photo is good or not.
More importantly does the iPad have a card reader? It doesn't have any USB ports.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:50
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let the education continue
proud owner of a couple of cameras and a few bits and bobs
proud owner of a couple of cameras and a few bits and bobs
Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:57
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Gwyn wrote:
More importantly does the iPad have a card reader? It doesn't have any USB ports.
Anvh wrote:
If it can be used to store photos then it might be handy, does it have support for PEF or DNG?
The screen is large enough to make a decent guess if the photo is good or not.
Quote:
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
For God's sake no-one mention the ipad. Oh fiddle, I just did.
If it can be used to store photos then it might be handy, does it have support for PEF or DNG?
The screen is large enough to make a decent guess if the photo is good or not.
More importantly does the iPad have a card reader? It doesn't have any USB ports.
No it doesn't have a card reader but it does have an USB adapter...
So you could use an external card reader so I'm more worried about RAW now. But well 8gb SD-Cards aren't that expensive any more and my uncle just bought an 16GB Sandisk ultra for 30 so if I must shoot in JPG I rather buy one of those cards and go shooting for a 2 or 3 months straight and watch the photos at home.
Brings back that nostalgic feeling of hope that a shot worked out great, I'm sure most members remember that feeling.
Stefan
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:59
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Under the Technical Specifications TAB, under the highlight Input and output.
- Dock connector port (you've adapters for this port)
- 3.5-mm stereo headphone jack
- Built-in speaker
- Microphone
- Micro SIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only)
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 19:04
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Aren't we going a bit off topic now again ^^
I believe on of the dell laptop had a 3 coloured led display, they came good out of reviews but I don't like the way Dell do business, I just want to go to a shop.
How about Samsung & Sony, they use PVA screens a lot and those types of screens are known to be better than the common TN screens, but I've no idea if they use them in laptops...
ps. What about the Sony VPCF11M1E/H :
Does look good to my eyes. but don't know if that was the budget you had in mind.
I believe on of the dell laptop had a 3 coloured led display, they came good out of reviews but I don't like the way Dell do business, I just want to go to a shop.
How about Samsung & Sony, they use PVA screens a lot and those types of screens are known to be better than the common TN screens, but I've no idea if they use them in laptops...
ps. What about the Sony VPCF11M1E/H :
Does look good to my eyes. but don't know if that was the budget you had in mind.
Stefan
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Posted 15/05/2010 - 20:37
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my '2 cents worth' ... laptop displays aren't too 'tune-able' ... laptops are not as flexible to upgrade (more RAM, HDD, graphics card, ports etc) ... laptops can be tedious (ergonomically) to edit on (though you could get a tablet, extra keyboard etc) ... but laptops can travel with you ...
if you don't travel a lot, or atleast don't intend to edit while traveling, then a PC/desktop is the best option, which you can keep upgrading and tweaking to match up to all new software (and their 'lean'(!!) requirements) in the future, incl. getting better screens etc as budget permits.
I also believe that PC are cheaper/easier to upgrade vs Apple...
if you don't travel a lot, or atleast don't intend to edit while traveling, then a PC/desktop is the best option, which you can keep upgrading and tweaking to match up to all new software (and their 'lean'(!!) requirements) in the future, incl. getting better screens etc as budget permits.
I also believe that PC are cheaper/easier to upgrade vs Apple...
regards,
rkt
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If you're going to do it on the basis of price then at least be consistent. Shout down Dyson versus other vacuum cleaners, Gaggia versus other espresso makers, Kenco versus Maxwell House, wine in restaurants versus wine from supermarkets.
It strikes me as another example of the typically British trait of wanting to drag down anything which is successful.
Apparently.