how do I protect my self

gartmore
Posted 02/12/2009 - 08:33 - Helpful Comment Link
James, it was never my intention to be offensive, just frank. I don't think that I have ever read such consistently good advice in a thread, from all sorts of perspectives.

I do have to say that I am still at a total loss as to why you are reluctant to give them 'their' pictures of their big day. Of what possible value are they to you? As has been said, you still own the copyright (unless you gave it away free) and you can do what you wish with them.

Although you asked if someone would give you a copy of a contract, for free no doubt, if you join a professional photgraphic body they will be able to supply you with appropriate templates.

At any rate, I think Don has put the case succinctly.
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Edited by gartmore: 02/12/2009 - 08:35
pink
Posted 02/12/2009 - 09:41 Link
Dear Ken
Thank you for your advice and yes I will be Joining a Professional Photographic body in the new year.

I have decided to give them free at a low res but only when the orders for the prints have stopped and with the odd watermark.

I have a studio that is ticking over nicely by word of mouth (around 4 shoots a week)

although I am and conduct my self as a pro I will never become a pro as I don't need to earn any money or a living from it.

so I class my self as a semi-pro

sorry if you where under the impression I was a amateur photographer stealing work from a pro-wedding photographer

James
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"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
Anvh
Posted 02/12/2009 - 12:01 - Helpful Comment Link
You can also use something like this link
When printed though the "copyright" is gone but digital copies should have the "copyright" intact so if you see one you can proof it's yours.

A bit better link without the clutter information you get in the first one link
Stefan
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Edited by Anvh: 02/12/2009 - 12:02
Posted 02/12/2009 - 13:45 Link
pink wrote:
I've done a wedding ....

James

Ps
not doing this again for free or a wedding
Lots of useful points have already been said by others on the topic, perhaps I could suggest the way to look at it is as a loss leader into the weddings area. If your friends/wife's friends are happy with the results then this goodwill may translate into recommendations to their friends/acquaintances which you can benefit from to build the work, just as for your studio. Potentially souring it over a few pics for a screen saver doesn't seem worth it to me, in spite of the irritation it's causing you to feel.

just my 2d worth... hope you manage to resolve the situ to everyones satisfaction.
Edited by bladerunneruk: 02/12/2009 - 13:49
Posted 02/12/2009 - 13:55 Link
Anvh wrote:
You can also use something like this link
When printed though the "copyright" is gone but digital copies should have the "copyright" intact so if you see one you can proof it's yours.

A bit better link without the clutter information you get in the first one link
Hi Anvh/Stefan, interested to know have you any experience of this ?
From a 2min scan of the website (so I'm probably oversimplifying) it just sounds like a hyperlink or ID code to their site is inserted into the EXIF data for the image and then your code no. and licencing info is held on their site for reference for the princely sum of $500 pa.

Could you not do this with a EXIF editor or DAM tool and your own website, doesn't seem like it's worth the money to me, or did I miss something about how the watermarking works ?

cheers
McBrian
Posted 02/12/2009 - 13:55 Link
Get a hold of somebody with Adobe Acrobat Professional (not Acrobat Reader) and make a protected PDF Package.

Protection to disable printing and copying of the PDF file can be added in the secure tab along with a lot of other security options including adding a watermark etc.
Cheers
Brian.
LBA is good for you, a Lens a day helps you work, rest and play.
gartmore
Posted 02/12/2009 - 14:13 Link
As ever, valuable information from Brian!

Following along those lines PrimoPDF is free and has security options which prevent copying and printing. It wont be as sophisticated as AAP but might be worth a try.
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Anvh
Posted 02/12/2009 - 14:14 Link
No it does not work like that, at least not fully.
They add pixels to the photo, just a slight variation of the original so you don't see it.
And the way the pixels are made is coupled to your ID, they simply scan the internet for those codes and keep track of them.

Here is more about the way they make the watermark and at the bottom of the page you have more explanations link

It might see a bit pricey but if you make a living with those photos it might be worth it.

Brian's idea is also very good, that's probably the only way to secure your photos the best if you give them to clients.
You can even send the complete package in advance and when they have paid you can give them a password to print and edit the document/photos.
Stefan
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pink
Posted 02/12/2009 - 14:29 Link
I own Photoshop creative suite 3 master collection if that helps any one with my dilemma

James
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"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
McBrian
Posted 02/12/2009 - 14:57 Link
pink wrote:
I own Photoshop creative suite 3 master collection if that helps any one with my dilemma

James
then you have Acrobat 8 Professional just about the best home user security enabled package you can get.
Cheers
Brian.
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Argee
Posted 02/12/2009 - 19:28 Link
pink wrote:
I own Photoshop creative suite 3 master collection ...
I've been considering that for a while - was it expensive and did you download it, or get it on disk?

Ray
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Anvh
Posted 03/12/2009 - 10:44 Link
Yes the plugin to make them is free and is in Photoshop CS3 but you need an account to use it.
Stefan
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Posted 03/12/2009 - 23:39 Link
Anvh wrote:
No it does not work like that, at least not fully.
They add pixels to the photo, just a slight variation of the original so you don't see it.
And the way the pixels are made is coupled to your ID, they simply scan the internet for those codes and keep track of them.

Here is more about the way they make the watermark and at the bottom of the page you have more explanations link

It might see a bit pricey but if you make a living with those photos it might be worth it.

Brian's idea is also very good, that's probably the only way to secure your photos the best if you give them to clients.
You can even send the complete package in advance and when they have paid you can give them a password to print and edit the document/photos.
thanks for the link stefan, read this just b4 end of my lunchbreak so was skimming and didn't have time to read all the site
Argee
Posted 04/12/2009 - 17:12 Link
Argee wrote:
pink wrote:
I own Photoshop creative suite 3 master collection ...
I've been considering that for a while - was it expensive and did you download it, or get it on disk?

Ray
Question too difficult?

Ray
Z1, K10D, D-BG2 Grip, DA 1:3.5-5.6 18-55mm AL, DA 1:3.5-6.3 18-250mm ED AL(IF), AF540FGZ Flash, FA 1:1.7 50mm, DA 1:2.4 70mm Limited, Wireless Remote (Did I offend you? Click here).
pink
Posted 07/12/2009 - 16:43 Link
Dear Ray

It was bought as a download and disk/box was posted on
unsure of cost as it was a gift from my wife.

Hope that answers your simple question.

James
My Fluidr

"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY

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