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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:05
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Anvh wrote:
I'm sure it's the same in the UK.
However you're allowed to cross the road not over the pedestrian crossing.
as far as I know we're just about the only country where jay-walking isn't punishable, or at least if it technically is I've never heard of the rule being enforced.
mikew wrote:
Yes but it isn't allowed by the law to go through a red stop sign, no matter if you're walking or not.Quote:
in case we get halted by the police for walking through a red stop sign or things like that.
So you don't feel competent to decide when it's safe to cross the road. No smiley.in case we get halted by the police for walking through a red stop sign or things like that.
I'm sure it's the same in the UK.
However you're allowed to cross the road not over the pedestrian crossing.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:12
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I do feel competent to decide when it's safe to cross and I'm pretty sure most Brits do as well and I suspect that rather highlights a difference in attitude to many things like this including being required to produce Id in case a cop stops me for crossing the road.
I had fun in Japan teasing the locals who would happily stand obeying a red sign which were on every small road in Kyoto by making to step out into the road while it was on red and of course ...
After a while I just ignored the red signs as they were plainly daft.
Mike
I had fun in Japan teasing the locals who would happily stand obeying a red sign which were on every small road in Kyoto by making to step out into the road while it was on red and of course ...
After a while I just ignored the red signs as they were plainly daft.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:13
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Mongoose we're also allowed to jay-walking (never heard of that one before) but I'm talking when you use a pedestrian crossing with a traffic sign, if you go through the red stop-sign I would be surprised if that's allowed in any country.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:19
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Stefan I think you need to sit down as the surprise might be too much for you. I can't find any law that says you cannot cross against a red light but it was only a quick scan.
A local council states that: 'When the red man is lit pedestrians should not cross (although it is not against the law to do so)'
So I hope you sat down.
Mike
A local council states that: 'When the red man is lit pedestrians should not cross (although it is not against the law to do so)'
So I hope you sat down.
Mike
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:24
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... they will stop you for ignoring red men in both Germany and Finland. Woe betide if you're on a bike. You *will* get a comment and it can mean you lose your car licence, too. The Germans will also complain if you're riding the wrong way down the path (you should be on the same side) and crossing on the pedestrian section is not OK if you then get knocked over - it's partly your fault.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:29
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Mike your country is one of the exceptions then, I'm just surprised not having an heart attack or something
mikew wrote:
I do feel competent to decide when it's safe to cross and I'm pretty sure most Brits do as well and I suspect that rather highlights a difference in attitude to many things like this including being required to produce Id in case a cop stops me for crossing the road.
Hopefully you understand that ignoring a stop-sign is against the law in some countries and the police here can only ask for your ID when you breach the law and that's why I used that as an example not knowing UK was different.
I do feel competent to decide when it's safe to cross and I'm pretty sure most Brits do as well and I suspect that rather highlights a difference in attitude to many things like this including being required to produce Id in case a cop stops me for crossing the road.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 18:33
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bretti_kivi wrote:
and crossing on the pedestrian section is not OK if you then get knocked over - it's partly your fault.
The law is a bit different here with this matter because pedestrian and bicycles are "protected" in traffic, the one driving the car is always wrong even if someone jumps infront of your car.
and crossing on the pedestrian section is not OK if you then get knocked over - it's partly your fault.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 19:51
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Father Ted wrote:
Well put Stefan!
My ( and I stress my ) opinion is this:
The (now previous) government brought in so many laws which eroded civil liberties. The laws were, for the most, poorly worded, allowing for mis-interpretation. Or, was this deliberate to allow for easily extending their use without having to go back before parliament?
An example. Anti-terrorism laws which enabled local councils to carry out surveillance led to a family ( including children ) being placed under surveillance. Their crime? They had applied for a place at the local primary school and the council didn't believe they were living where they said they were!
DNA. If I were to give my DNA as part of a police enquiry, even if I wasn't charged with any crime, the government would keep that on file permanently. Even the European courts have said that is illegal, but the UK government ( again, the previous administration ) just said they'd "consider the finding".
It is this kind of thing which has led to the mis-trust building up over the past decade to levels I have never seen before.
This country, unfortunately, gets the governments it deserves. Knee jerk headlines leading to knee jerk policies. Lets see if the next lot are better, but Clegg's sensible immigration policy, and stance on trident, have already been ditched. At least Nu Labour got a few progressive policies through before they succumbed to merely reacting to the screams of The Daily Hate, The Scum, and The Hellograph, and obsessing over focus groups made up of ill informed members of the general public who have little idea about policy and its unintended consequences, while ignoring the advice of its own experts such as the drugs advisory council.
Well put Stefan!
My ( and I stress my ) opinion is this:
The (now previous) government brought in so many laws which eroded civil liberties. The laws were, for the most, poorly worded, allowing for mis-interpretation. Or, was this deliberate to allow for easily extending their use without having to go back before parliament?
An example. Anti-terrorism laws which enabled local councils to carry out surveillance led to a family ( including children ) being placed under surveillance. Their crime? They had applied for a place at the local primary school and the council didn't believe they were living where they said they were!
DNA. If I were to give my DNA as part of a police enquiry, even if I wasn't charged with any crime, the government would keep that on file permanently. Even the European courts have said that is illegal, but the UK government ( again, the previous administration ) just said they'd "consider the finding".
It is this kind of thing which has led to the mis-trust building up over the past decade to levels I have never seen before.
Posted 12/05/2010 - 20:02
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Anvh wrote:
Not true Stefan - if the person is an adult then they can be found liable and may have to pay for damage they caused. More usually though in such a case the driver pays their damage and the cyclist/pedestrian pays theirs.bretti_kivi wrote:
and crossing on the pedestrian section is not OK if you then get knocked over - it's partly your fault.
The law is a bit different here with this matter because pedestrian and bicycles are "protected" in traffic, the one driving the car is always wrong even if someone jumps infront of your car. and crossing on the pedestrian section is not OK if you then get knocked over - it's partly your fault.
Many cyclists believe they are above the law and everything will be the drivers fault, and behave accordingly. They forget that they are vulnerable and can be deemed liable in certain cases. They especially forget that it hurts to have an argument with a car.
Of course it is hard for the driver to prove it but with reliable witnesses they can. An adult cyclist who is, say, hit while crossing on red is guilty and will be fined, and have to pay up for at least their own costs.
Children, and teenagers (who are the worst!!! :wink are always protected. I have a big secondary school around the corner and the road is a nightmare there twice a day.
Posted 12/05/2010 - 20:29
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Thank you for clearing that up Gwyn
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 23:24
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terje-l wrote:
Sometimes I wonder why these things happen. Could it be the way we behave?
Once I have been approached by security, while taking pictures of airplanes at their stand in a Norwegian airport. Very polite he asked why I was photographing, and just as polite I explained my great interest in avionics, and that was that. He went away, and I continued my photography.
Over the years I have learned not to upset security people. After all they have a job to do, but if you behave properly you won't experience too much hassle.
In the Gambia I was taking some pictures from the departure "lounge" a set of barriers by the apron. I was approached by military land rover - they had a chat and then took me "for a ride". Right round the airport and up to their "Air Force" aircraft where I had to take their picture. Taken back to departures - tipped them with a couple of surplus films.
Sometimes I wonder why these things happen. Could it be the way we behave?
Once I have been approached by security, while taking pictures of airplanes at their stand in a Norwegian airport. Very polite he asked why I was photographing, and just as polite I explained my great interest in avionics, and that was that. He went away, and I continued my photography.
Over the years I have learned not to upset security people. After all they have a job to do, but if you behave properly you won't experience too much hassle.
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Posted 12/05/2010 - 23:37
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Lucky you, Andrew. Guess it just proves my point
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Posted 15/05/2010 - 08:03
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Going back to my original post - a photographer being stopped and questioned by police , today I came across these reports
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Hmmmmm these seem to contradict what the Met have said - though of course it has to be remembered that the Met and the City Police are two different Police Forces .
The Project Griffin Site does have links which show just which police forces have signed up for Project Griffin .
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Hmmmmm these seem to contradict what the Met have said - though of course it has to be remembered that the Met and the City Police are two different Police Forces .
The Project Griffin Site does have links which show just which police forces have signed up for Project Griffin .
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in case we get halted by the police for walking through a red stop sign or things like that.
I'm sure it's the same in the UK.
However you're allowed to cross the road not over the pedestrian crossing.
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