Help with bird identification


Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:15
Hi Guy's

I know it's an awful shot in just about every way but my poor little collins gem guide does not seem to contain this winged thingy, and my brain stands no chance .

Any one got any ideas what it is?

The photo was taken on the River Dee near Cefn Mawr on Saturday morning, if this helps in terms of location, time of day to spot one etc.

Any help would be appreciated.


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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:18
It's a cormorant Stuey
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:19
It looks like a cormorant to me!..... DS ,DA18/55,DA16/45.DA* 50/135,"A"1.7 50MM..."A" 70/210..M 50mm f2...Tamron 90mm macro,28/300 Tamron,200/500 Tamron 6.9....A Pentax DA*300... Sigma10/20,FA31mm 1.8 Ltd*********,FA 77mm Ltd!


Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:23
I always get cormorants and shags mixed up (no comments guys!)- so will go with the above
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:27
So do I, and while I was checking everybody answered. Cormorants have the white throat, just out of interest.
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:35
I'd have said a shag personally. I don't see any white on it, and the beak looks more shag like.


Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 21:50
Thanks Guys

My collins gem guide has different colour for the cormorant or the shag however my girlfriend just found a picture of a 'Double Crested Cormorant' which looks most like the bird in my awful photo but as it is not meant to be resident here in Wales it makes me wonder if that is what it is.


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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:07
Shags and cormorants are the same family. Sometimes they are called shags in one part of the world and a cormorant in another - shags have crests, cormorants don't. In theory. And only in the breeding season.

I still think it's a shag - there is no white throat marking, and the beak marking is more like a shag.

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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:18
Do you have Spec Savers in Holland. on my monitor it has a white throat.
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:23
Just to throw in some confusion I think it is a juvenile cormorant


Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:27
I think its very difficult to tell, but I'd lean more towards it being a Cormorant, but it could easilly be a Juvenile Shag too

If Stuey can give an idea of size it may swing it.

Cormorant = about the size of a Goose
Shag = a little bigger than a Mallard.
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:29
"Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour....." My vote is for Cormorant..But im not a real twitcher..
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:33
"Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour

Oh this looks like the full half hour
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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 22:42
Five minutes on the RSPB Site - Bird identifier link

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Link Posted 29/11/2010 - 23:52
All I can say is whatI was taught quite a while ago

" The Common Cormorant or shag...................... "

let the education continue

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