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Mike-P
Posted 26/03/2008 - 12:22 Link
Years ago I had a Canon SLR which was stolen and since then I have made do with various digital compacts.
My latest camera (Canon Ixus 430) has given up on me after 3 years and so I am in the market for a new model.
I was about to buy a panasonic FZ18 but decided after a lot of thought that maybe it was time to buy myself a half decent digital SLR and so have, after a LOT of research decided the Pentax was right for me.
Now this is the problem, I have seen the K100D Super for 250 with lens, the K10D kit for around 400 and the new K200D for 430, again with lens.

As a complete novice where these cameras are concerned which in your opinion would be the best bet. The price is not the issue (although I do not want to spend anymore) but I am wondering if the K100D is better to start
with or do I choose one of the other two, and if so which?

The main thing that concerns me is the small megapixel count on the cheaper option and the fact I MAY outgrow it too quickly.

Many thanks.

Mike.
beakynet
Posted 26/03/2008 - 12:27 Link
Firstly, welcome!

You may a steep learning curve, but I believe that the K10D would be your best option and represent great value for money. It will provide you with room to grow too and a great range of very high quality lenses comming out. You also may be able to find a great second hand deal on K10Ds as some will be upgrading to the K20D.
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Nimitz
Posted 26/03/2008 - 12:57 Link
The price on the K10D is to good to pass atm. I would def. recommend you to buy that one.

It would give you all what you want for a dslr. You won't outgrow it for ages
iceblinker
Posted 26/03/2008 - 13:07 Link
sockpuppet wrote:
The main thing that concerns me is the small megapixel count on the cheaper option and the fact I MAY outgrow it too quickly.

To make up for the smaller mp count, it has lower noise at the same ISO settings. However, the better viewfinder and the various convenient extra features of the K10D make it the best option of the three models you mention, in my opinion. It really is a great camera, and the value for money is great too at the moment. It's a few years old so the price has come right down.

Don't be put off by the lack of Scene modes (Portrait, Landscape, etc) on the K10D - which beginners and people not interested in the technicalities of photography are attracted to. Actually it's dead easy to replicate these with controls such as Av (aperture priority) mode.

Regarding the kit lens, there is a new "II" version of the Pentax 18-55mm - which is better than the original, in my experience, and available for 44 including postage from Bristol Cameras.
~Pete
Mike-P
Posted 26/03/2008 - 13:23 Link
Thanks for the replies so far.

I notice that you all choose the K10D over the new K200D, can I ask why?
I live in Spain at the moment and due to my remote location and the fact my Spanish is non existent I cannot get any "hands on" experience with the chosen model and will be having the camera posted to a friend in the UK who can then forward it on.

From what I can see the K200 is smaller than the K10 which for me would be ideal as I have fairly small hands.

The other thing is that in my travels I notice a dealer (who I have contacted and am awaiting a reply) that has refurbished K10s and was wondering if anyone has had any dealings with them? - http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/

Thanks again.
MattMatic
Posted 26/03/2008 - 13:33 Link
Quote:
The other thing is that in my travels I notice a dealer (who I have contacted and am awaiting a reply) that has refurbished K10s and was wondering if anyone has had any dealings with them? - http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/

Highly respected and friendly dealer No hesitation in recommending them
I bought a refurb *ist-DS for my wife a while back from them - another very nice camera. Small, real pentaprism viewfinder (not the darker pentamirror).
My K10D came from them too, as well as some other gear

Here's a few comments about bodies I've used:
*ist-D - excellent 6Mp camera. Small and solid. Supports TTL & P-TTL flash.
*ist-DS - another great 6Mp camera. Again, pentaprism and TTL flash (as well as P-TTL).
K10D - slightly bigger and heavier than the *ist-D/DS. But it's weatherproofed and is incredibly quick when using RAW files.

The 10Mp is really better than the 6Mp - although I've got some great 18"x20" and 36"x24" canvas prints from the *ist-D The 6Mp high ISO is probably better than the 10Mp - so if you want to do shots in very, very low light conditions the 6Mp may suit you better.

As has been said, the price of the K10D body is a steal! If you can get hold of a refurb'd *ist-DS from SRS then that will not disappoint either

Tough decision
Matt
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Hyram
Posted 26/03/2008 - 13:33 Link
sockpuppet wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far.

I notice that you all choose the K10D over the new K200D, can I ask why?
I live in Spain at the moment and due to my remote location and the fact my Spanish is non existent I cannot get any "hands on" experience with the chosen model and will be having the camera posted to a friend in the UK who can then forward it on.

From what I can see the K200 is smaller than the K10 which for me would be ideal as I have fairly small hands.

The other thing is that in my travels I notice a dealer (who I have contacted and am awaiting a reply) that has refurbished K10s and was wondering if anyone has had any dealings with them? - http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/

Thanks again.

Many, many on this forum, including myself, buy their kit from SRS.

I would recommend them without hesitation.

I also agree with the recommendation for you to buy a K10D.

SRS has amazing deals on these at the moment.
Hyram

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iceblinker
Posted 26/03/2008 - 13:35 Link
sockpuppet wrote:
I notice that you all choose the K10D over the new K200D, can I ask why?

Better viewfinder, and some extra features, including the extra control wheel.

Of all the Pentax digital SLRs, only the K10D, K20D, *ist D, *ist DS and *ist DS2 have a pentaprism viewfinder instead of an inferior pentamirror.

D and DS/2 are older discontinued models - though you may still find a second-hand DS - which is also smaller than the K10D.
~Pete
Mongoose
Posted 26/03/2008 - 14:05 Link
K10D vs K200D - My 2p

K10D is larger and slightly heavier.

K200D runs on AA batteries, which are easier to source in a tight spot.

K10D has a larger and brighter viewfinder.

K200D has Dynamic Range Enhancement mode. No one has yet commented on how useful this is but it should help in strong lighting.

K200D has scene modes which will give you a shallower learning curve, although in the end they will just be wasted dial space.

K10D has TAv mode, where you set the aperture and shutter speed and the camera picks the ISO to match. This is handy in very specific circumstances so you may never use it, but I love it for fast sports.

K10D can do unlimited 3FPS in JPG and 9 frames at 3FPS in RAW,
K200D can only do 2.8FPS for 4 frames in JPG or RAW.

Essentially, the K10D was designed to be the best amature/semi-pro level camera in the world. The K200D was designed to play second fiddle to the K20D. Both are superb cameras and unless you are a very specialised photographer with demanding speed requirements it's unlikely that you will be disapointed by either of them, but the K10D would be my choice.
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Mannesty
Posted 26/03/2008 - 14:11 Link
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ikillrocknroll
Posted 26/03/2008 - 14:14 Link
expanding on mongoose's point
the reason why the K10D is more the choice here, over the K200D, is because the k10D is the same era as the K100D, but better, similarly, the K200D is the same era as the K20D (but of a different standard features wise, mp etc).

So when they pull the plug on the K100D, if they do, then the K200D will act as their entry level.

Essentially, the K10D is aimed at a higher level user than the K200D, but not as new, so doesn't have some of the new features.
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Mike-P
Posted 26/03/2008 - 15:20 Link
Ok, thanks for the replies so far .. seems the K200D is out as the K10D is more the users choice.
I emailed SRS last night but am still waiting for a reply, the K100D Super seller has come back to me http://www.rgb-tech.co.uk/product/1549 and they have stock. I am still quite tempted by this as I can get the body, a tamron 70-300 and the kit 18-55 lens for a quoted 350. If I find I am getting on well I could then upgrade to the K10D and keep the lenses.

Dunno .....
ikillrocknroll
Posted 26/03/2008 - 15:49 Link
If you do choose the K10D, Robert White has it on special, with the kit lens for 375. http://www.robertwhite.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1971&PT_ID=477&P=Pentax
http://www.behance.net/robbranigan
K20D, DA18-55II, FA50 1.4, DA10-17
To buy: Metz 58 AF-1, DA*50-135, DA12-24, DA100M
MattMatic
Posted 26/03/2008 - 16:03 Link
Quote:
If you do choose the K10D, Robert White has it on special, with the kit lens for 375.

PLUS VAT
Matt
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(For gallery, tips and links)
Mike-P
Posted 26/03/2008 - 16:19 Link
MattMatic wrote:
Quote:
If you do choose the K10D, Robert White has it on special, with the kit lens for 375.

PLUS VAT
Matt

Damn, I was hot footing it over there, armed with credit card

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