Got to be asked....K5 ii or iis...

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Simonmac
Posted 04/03/2014 - 09:32 Link
Hi folks

I have a little feedback on this chestnut.

After lots of research- I am still struggling.

I shoot predominantly city scenes (a lot of bricks) and some portraits.

My favoured lens is the non vc tamron 17-50.

Many users seem to feel that moire does not happen as much as some reviewers feared and I would love to hear any personal experiences!

Many thanks all

Mac
LennyBloke
Posted 04/03/2014 - 09:54 - Helpful Comment Link
Hi Mac,

I've had my K5iis for several months now and although I haven't done any specific testing for moire, I can say that I haven't noticed it on any shots as yet. Most of my stuff is landscapes, casual portraits and some architecture.

Hopefully you'll get a good few replies of similar nature. The sharpness with high end lenses is notably better IMO

Cheers
LennyBloke
percy
Posted 04/03/2014 - 13:19 Link
So far it's not something that has caused me any problems with the IIs. There's been nothing apparent in any of my pictures at normal viewing resolutions. There have been some where it is more noticeable when you zoom in looking for it (such as bird feathers) and even then it's not been bad enough to concern me.
As LennyBloke has commented, the sharpness with decent lenses is noticeably better.
RalphHardwick
Posted 04/03/2014 - 13:49 - Helpful Comment Link
I have a K5iis and have not noticed any moire at all.

TBH I don't think you will get a definitive answer from this forum as no one (correct me if I'm wrong) has taken 2 identical pictures, in identical conditions, with identical lenses and settings, with the two cameras which can be compared well enough to categorically state that the (s) makes enough (or any) difference to warrant the difference in price.

Moire seems, from reports, to be a non-issue.

I think it boils down to this: if your current images have shown any indication of moire then they probably will in either of the K5ii models. If it worries you buy a K5ii, if not then either will do.
If you're into pixel peeping for detail then you may feel that the £100-ish difference is worth it.

I am very happy with the level of detail I get from my K5iis but I'm sure that I would have been equally happy with the K5ii.

If you're buying 2nd hand get either one that comes up in your budget. If you're buying new then only you can justify the extra for the (s) regardless of the many opinions you will get on here.

I hope that's of help and as even handed as possible
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Darkmunk
Posted 04/03/2014 - 14:11 Link
I did a test as soon as mine arrived and the difference in sharpness is amazing. Like the old K5 had grease on the lens.
There are some occasions when the IIs seemed too sharp and I suspect the filter would have helped - fine sea spray in my case, but on those rare occasions, you can always soften in post (I didn't bother).
I've said it twice on here and nobody has picked up on it, but the iis effectively reduces noise! because you don't have to sharpen as much, if at all in post, you are not emphasising noise.
johnriley
Posted 04/03/2014 - 15:24 - Helpful Comment Link
I spent some time with the II and IIs and the K-3 when I reviewed them for ePHOTOzine. Trying to get any moire, especially with the K-3, was next to impossible.

I wouldn't worry about it and would go for the extra bite of the IIs or K-3.
Best regards, John
McGregNi
Posted 04/03/2014 - 15:39 - Helpful Comment Link
It does seem that moire is less likely with larger and the most modern sensors. Presumably thats why makers have started to offer the aa filter-less options. Also there have been reports here of other factors coming into play apart from the filter - such as focal length and aperture, distance from the offending subject etc. So there does seem to be some ways to reduce it if its unavoidable. I'm not too convinced on any software solutions though, as they still rely essentially on blurring techniques, so can only be limited to small areas where the effects won't matter, and the point of having no aa filter was to reduce blur in the first place.


RalphHardwick wrote:
... TBH I don't think you will get a definitive answer from this forum as no one (correct me if I'm wrong) has taken 2 identical pictures, in identical conditions, with identical lenses and settings, with the two cameras which can be compared well enough to categorically state that the (s) makes enough (or any) difference to warrant the difference in price....


Should I give him a link? A bit reluctant, as I'm sure everyone has heard more than enough of what I said about it . But its relavent though, certainly for the weighing up and personal choice. And in fact in the image I tested there was an area of very clear and distinct moire on the 's' image, where the 'non-s' image was unnaffected.

So OP, check it out ..... you may decide the £100 is better off staying with you for something else (pentaxforums.com ....
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RalphHardwick
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:01 Link
RalphHardwick wrote:

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Edited by RalphHardwick: 04/03/2014 - 16:01
swarf
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:02 - Helpful Comment Link
I've had my K-5iis since November - no signs of Moire yet, but have not specifically tested for it. I mainly take landscape, some architecture/urban, macro/close-up.

I thought that I might get some Moire in shots of recently 'bashed' pistes in the Alps, which have a regular corduroy pattern to them, but nothing - just nice sharp images (but so boring that I've deleted them!).

Phil
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Simonmac
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:16 Link
Very useful link! All of you folk have more experience than me in PP as well as shooting. I use Aftershot Pro, PDCU occasionally, and PSP latest version for any afterthoughts. I am rarely going to print to A3- A4 more often than not- so the normal ii seems the best option, and I save about £80 on current prices.

Cheers

Mac
McGregNi wrote:
It does seem that moire is less likely with larger and the most modern sensors. Presumably thats why makers have started to offer the aa filter-less options. Also there have been reports here of other factors coming into play apart from the filter - such as focal length and aperture, distance from the offending subject etc. So there does seem to be some ways to reduce it if its unavoidable. I'm not too convinced on any software solutions though, as they still rely essentially on blurring techniques, so can only be limited to small areas where the effects won't matter, and the point of having no aa filter was to reduce blur in the first place.


RalphHardwick wrote:
... TBH I don't think you will get a definitive answer from this forum as no one (correct me if I'm wrong) has taken 2 identical pictures, in identical conditions, with identical lenses and settings, with the two cameras which can be compared well enough to categorically state that the (s) makes enough (or any) difference to warrant the difference in price....


Should I give him a link? A bit reluctant, as I'm sure everyone has heard more than enough of what I said about it . But its relavent though, certainly for the weighing up and personal choice. And in fact in the image I tested there was an area of very clear and distinct moire on the 's' image, where the 'non-s' image was unnaffected.

So OP, check it out ..... you may decide the £100 is better off staying with you for something else (pentaxforums.com ....
link )
JohnX
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:18 Link
I also researched thoroughly before buying my K5II, not being convinced that the £150 price difference really was justified. Not sure what the price differential is now, but I was happier putting the £150 towards more glass.

Lenses are forever; bodies are only 'the best' until the next one comes along.
Edited by JohnX: 04/03/2014 - 16:19
Dodge69
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:20 Link
I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated FORGET ABOUT MOIRE (unless you photo textiles for a LIVING)

If you can, try and stretch for the K5IIs, you will feel a lot more satisfied with the picture quality.

I have been running a 6D along with my K5 & K5IIs for the past couple of weeks and the K5IIs easily competes with sharpness and perhaps has that little extra 'bite' over the 35mm sensor 6D. Of course in general image quality, high ISO and DOF the bigger sensor wins, just. If you don't shoot super high ISO that often or do portraiture for a living then the K5IIs is a severely good and professional standard machine.

I am convinced the K5IIs will go down as a little bit of an unheralded legend
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Simonmac
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:40 Link
I think I have an easy solution. I am getting the iis and keeping my trust Kr just in case moire paranoia creeps in!

Mac
Dodge69 wrote:
I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated FORGET ABOUT MOIRE (unless you photo textiles for a LIVING)

If you can, try and stretch for the K5IIs, you will feel a lot more satisfied with the picture quality.

I have been running a 6D along with my K5 & K5IIs for the past couple of weeks and the K5IIs easily competes with sharpness and perhaps has that little extra 'bite' over the 35mm sensor 6D. Of course in general image quality, high ISO and DOF the bigger sensor wins, just. If you don't shoot super high ISO that often or do portraiture for a living then the K5IIs is a severely good and professional standard machine.

I am convinced the K5IIs will go down as a little bit of an unheralded legend
Mike-P
Posted 04/03/2014 - 16:42 - Helpful Comment Link
I'm another in the K-5II camp.

I just couldn't see enough difference to justify the £150 (at that time) premium. I see it's now £80 so maybe I would be more inclined to pay but I have to say the increase in sharpness can't be attributed 100% to the lack of AA filter because my K5II is a lot better than my old K5 MKI.
DanielH
Posted 04/03/2014 - 17:01 - Helpful Comment Link
Well I have fairly recently acquired a K-5ii. I really wanted to go for the s but as I shoot weddings for money I couldnt risk it and as mentioned above the price difference. I dont own any "professional" editing software and having to remove moire after the fact would likely be a major headache. If weddings were not the case I think I would have stumped up the extra
Edited by DanielH: 04/03/2014 - 17:02

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