Framing or cropping?

gartmore
Posted 18/03/2011 - 15:10 Link
I might be wrong but I'm getting the feeling that 'cropping' and 'framing' are confusingly coming to mean one and the same thing on the forum. I say this because I read phrases like 'great crop' when the commentator has no idea what the original framing was like and therefore cannot comment.

It has always been my belief that 'framing' is what you do in the camera viewfinder and 'cropping' is what you do in PP whether on an enlarger easel or in Photoshop.
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
johnriley
Posted 18/03/2011 - 16:26 Link
I agree Ken. Framing is how you select what you include or exclude at the shooting stage.

Cropping is what we do in Photoshop or under the enlarger. Or using a pair of scissors on a print.
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fatspider
Posted 18/03/2011 - 16:31 Link
I think I may have been guilty on occasion of using the word "Crop" when I should indeed have said "Frame" I guess nowadays we are so used to seeing manipulated images we automatically assume the image has also been cropped to display it at its best.
We would never have said "Great Crop" when looking at print from 35mm on 8x10 paper and yet the image would have to be cropped to get it to fit.
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gartmore
Posted 18/03/2011 - 17:11 Link
I've tried very hard in my personal work never to crop and printed the full frame within the sheet of paper(I've read and own far too many books about Magnum and HCB to be honest!). With commercial work of course you have to give the layout designer some leeway or if you are composing for 10x8 wedding mounts and so on.
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
gartmore
Posted 18/03/2011 - 17:12 Link
fatspider wrote:
I think I may have been guilty on occasion of using the word "Crop" when I should indeed have said "Frame" I guess nowadays we are so used to seeing manipulated images we automatically assume the image has also been cropped to display it at its best.
We would never have said "Great Crop" when looking at print from 35mm on 8x10 paper and yet the image would have to be cropped to get it to fit.
Your guilty plea has been taken into account and sentence will be passed when I have reports from social workers and health professionals
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Pentaxophile
Posted 18/03/2011 - 18:08 Link
gartmore wrote:
I might be wrong but I'm getting the feeling that 'cropping' and 'framing' are confusingly coming to mean one and the same thing on the forum. I say this because I read phrases like 'great crop' when the commentator has no idea what the original framing was like and therefore cannot comment.

It has always been my belief that 'framing' is what you do in the camera viewfinder and 'cropping' is what you do in PP whether on an enlarger easel or in Photoshop.
I agree... I tend to say cropping more than framing, usually when criticising an awkwardly framed shot. When looking at a shot it's not so relevent whether the poor composition is a result of cropping in PP or poor framing... the composition is the important thing. I think I stopped using framing because people get confused about that term too.... does it mean the border added in PP, or does it refer to natural framing within the shot e.g. a view through a window....
greynolds999
Posted 18/03/2011 - 18:56 Link
Now we have lots of megapixels but still have corner falloff I always prefer to go a little wider so I can crop if required.

That and the fact I always get wonky horizons!
fatspider
Posted 18/03/2011 - 19:33 Link
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Your guilty plea has been taken into account and sentence will be passed when I have reports from social workers and health professionals
I shall plead;

Not Guilty M'lud, I was FRAMED
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Tyr
Posted 18/03/2011 - 20:31 Link
In which case you framed yourself and this is a self portrait.

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