EXIF puzzle

OldTaffy
Posted 12/03/2021 - 13:14 Link
Someone recently sent me an email with some JPEG images attached, I would like to use one, with their permission, in a website, but the attached images are too small. The exif says that they were taken with a Nikon D3400, so I assumed that the sender had kindly reduced them to a sensible size (213x320 px) to go as email attachments. I asked the photographer to use a file transfer program to send me the full Nikon jpeg for me to reduce to a suitable but larger size.

The photographer now tells me that they were taken on an ipad, not a Nikon, and that 213x320 is the full size. How come that my PSE and Windows 7 Photoviewer file-info options both report that they were taken on a Nikon D3400?
A few of my photographs in flickr.
Lizars 1910 "Challenge" quarter-plate camera; and some more recent stuff.
MHOL190246
Posted 12/03/2021 - 13:57 Link
Is it possible that the iPad was loaded with Nikon Image Space for photo editing?
JAK
Posted 12/03/2021 - 16:17 Link
Can't you just double the pixel size to 426 x 640 or to whatever you want in almost any photo editing software ? It really doesn't matter what they were taken on to resize them.
John K
Edited by JAK: 12/03/2021 - 16:22
OldTaffy
Posted 12/03/2021 - 18:23 Link
MHOL190246 wrote:
Is it possible that the iPad was loaded with Nikon Image Space for photo editing?
Dunno... I have never used an iPad. I'll ask the person who sent me the images - if they are technically aware!
A few of my photographs in flickr.
Lizars 1910 "Challenge" quarter-plate camera; and some more recent stuff.
OldTaffy
Posted 12/03/2021 - 18:26 Link
JAK wrote:
Can't you just double the pixel size to 426 x 640 or to whatever you want in almost any photo editing software ? It really doesn't matter what they were taken on to resize them.
Yes, naturally I could double the size, but that would not improve resolution of detail compared to sizing down a full dslr file. It would just spread one pixel over two spaces.
A few of my photographs in flickr.
Lizars 1910 "Challenge" quarter-plate camera; and some more recent stuff.
womble
Posted 12/03/2021 - 18:49 Link
Even on an ipad 426x640 is really small. Even my 3 1/2 year old phone manages 3968 x 2976.

You can increase resolution a bit in PS or whatever, but it won't invent detail where there isn't any. The best way is to do it in tiny steps rather than one big leap.

I wonder if the person saved the picture off the web on their ipad hence the low resolution and the dodgy EXIF data? Call me suspicious but....

K.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
pschlute
Posted 12/03/2021 - 20:58 Link
MHOL190246 wrote:
Is it possible that the iPad was loaded with Nikon Image Space for photo editing?
What exactly is "Nikon Image Space" other than a website ?
JAK
Posted 13/03/2021 - 01:41 Link
pschlute wrote:
MHOL190246 wrote:
Is it possible that the iPad was loaded with Nikon Image Space for photo editing?
What exactly is "Nikon Image Space" other than a website ?
Do you really want to know?
https://www.nikonimagespace.com/lang/en/

Doubt you'll be any the wiser though!
John K
pschlute
Posted 13/03/2021 - 08:37 Link
Thanks John. I thought it referred to a type of colour-space

I guess it is possible the exif is simply being misread by the exif reader, or that the data in the exif was changed either manually or by some editing software.
womble
Posted 13/03/2021 - 09:24 Link
Try doing an image search on the web... there are various tools out there for that.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
Lubbyman
Posted 13/03/2021 - 11:26 Link
Is the sender of the original image absolutely sure that this is the original size of the JPEG? Or are they assuming that it is because they haven't themselves done anything to resize it? E-mail can sometimes reduce the size of a JPEG, it depends on what e-mail software Is used and what options are sets (it's done by default to keep the total message size to a minimum). I've had this problem when family members send photos direct from phone and the photo is embedded in the e-mail.

Steve
OldTaffy
Posted 13/03/2021 - 11:50 Link
womble wrote:
Even on an ipad 426x640 is really small. Even my 3 1/2 year old phone manages 3968 x 2976.

You can increase resolution a bit in PS or whatever, but it won't invent detail where there isn't any. The best way is to do it in tiny steps rather than one big leap.

I wonder if the person saved the picture off the web on their ipad hence the low resolution and the dodgy EXIF data? Call me suspicious but....

K.
I agree; a jpeg of only 213x320 px would be weird for an iPad. I see that the spec for the current 10.2 includes a 8 Mpx camera. As for your suspicions, I have none. The photograph was of an old unregarded bit of street furniture in a dismal backstreet, only now recognised by the photographer as having historical significance. They have promised to go back and photgraph it again with a 'proper' camera.

How on earth the iPad files came to have a Nikon-attributed EXIF still puzzles me. The file info on PSE even states that the lens was a Tamron AF 18-270 f/3.5-6.3 Di II which is clearly a nonsense. I don't know how EXIF data is stored in a jpeg file - ie the binary algorithm etc. I hoped that one of you knowledgeable experts might know!
A few of my photographs in flickr.
Lizars 1910 "Challenge" quarter-plate camera; and some more recent stuff.

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