Competition Rules
Posted 16/07/2009 - 20:57
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Wow this got some people talking. I wasn't going to enter but my mum was thinking about it and asked me what I thought re the terms and conditions.
The fact that all entrants become their property seems well over the top and the fact that all rights are being handed over for all photos entered is absurd.
Remember guys check the small print before entering any competitions.
Would it be a good idea to have a name and shame section for companies that hold competitions with such rules, and therefore hel other Pentaxians to avoid them like the plague.
The fact that all entrants become their property seems well over the top and the fact that all rights are being handed over for all photos entered is absurd.
Remember guys check the small print before entering any competitions.
Would it be a good idea to have a name and shame section for companies that hold competitions with such rules, and therefore hel other Pentaxians to avoid them like the plague.
Posted 16/07/2009 - 21:00
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The artist has a right to object, but his means of redress is governed by the laws of the country; and as far as I know there is no law in the UK stopping me from burning poor Tracey's bed however much she might object.
However, as I said, she might sue me for damage to her reputation if I exhibited her work after altering it in some way - so I would be ill-advised to make the bed (or then to lie in it!)
G
However, as I said, she might sue me for damage to her reputation if I exhibited her work after altering it in some way - so I would be ill-advised to make the bed (or then to lie in it!)
G
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 21:25
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here is the copyright laws in the UK link
It's stated that it isn't allowed to make adaptations and I believe burning Tracey's bed is an adaptation.
Are we now going to have an argument if burning something is an adaptation?
It's stated that it isn't allowed to make adaptations and I believe burning Tracey's bed is an adaptation.
Are we now going to have an argument if burning something is an adaptation?
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:12
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This may horrify you, but in Victorian times when people painted more, I can tell you that the well off would buy a painting, maybe a Gainsborough, reframe it, cut it down and maybe even repaint parts of it to suit them better.
If you want to read this for yourseves, I refer you to the Letters of Edward FitzGerald, which contain many such instances.
If you want to read this for yourseves, I refer you to the Letters of Edward FitzGerald, which contain many such instances.
Best regards, John
Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:31
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I know part of that John.
De Nachtwacht (The Night Watch) by Rembrandt was cropped in 1715 because it didn't fit between the two columns of the wall
De Nachtwacht (The Night Watch) by Rembrandt was cropped in 1715 because it didn't fit between the two columns of the wall
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:32
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Cripes Stefan who cares? Go and take some photographs. I only chipped in with some light hearted information I had at my fingertips as it affects my business. Are you sure that there is no subsequent statute or case law that affects the interpretation of the act you refer us to?
The rules of the competition ask you give up those rights which you are at liberty to do.
Mike
The rules of the competition ask you give up those rights which you are at liberty to do.
Mike
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:36
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Mike I truly have nothing to do today and if I don't look it up I will think about it all the time where I got it from so it give me some peace of mind and that's worth something
It's more useful then most of the talk in the K20D vs D300 discussion, at least I know a bit more about the law now.
Btw went out yesterday and going to do tomorrow (aircrafts) and have a photograph day planned on a Sunday (race cars) and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend so I'm full till a Monday.
It's more useful then most of the talk in the K20D vs D300 discussion, at least I know a bit more about the law now.
Btw went out yesterday and going to do tomorrow (aircrafts) and have a photograph day planned on a Sunday (race cars) and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend so I'm full till a Monday.
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:53
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Stefan, report back when you have read and understood every word of the Act.
S. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way. Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
G
S. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way. Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
G
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Posted 16/07/2009 - 22:55
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Anvh wrote:
and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
So she's free on Sunday, and needs entertaining?and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
Hmmm.
G
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Posted 17/07/2009 - 01:30
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George Lazarette wrote:
S. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way.
Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
section 80 says thisS. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way.
Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
80. — (1) The author of a copyright literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, and the director of a copyright film, has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
(2) For the purposes of this section—
(a)
“treatment" of a work means any addition to, deletion from or alteration to or adaptation of the work, other than—
(i) a translation of a literary or dramatic work, or
(ii) an arrangement or transcription of a musical work involving no more than a change of key or register; and
(b)
the treatment of a work is derogatory if it amounts to distortion or mutilation of the work or is otherwise prejudicial to the honour or reputation of the author or director;
George Lazarette wrote:
Hmmm.
Yeah she don't like auto racing.Anvh wrote:
and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
So she's free on Sunday, and needs entertaining?and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
Hmmm.
About the entertaining part she is too young for you George and I think you will agree so if you want to spend the day with her go ahead you will do nothing so she will be in good hands with you.
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Posted 17/07/2009 - 08:56
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Anvh wrote:
80. — (1) The author of a copyright literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, and the director of a copyright film, has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
(2) For the purposes of this section—
(a)
“treatment" of a work means any addition to, deletion from or alteration to or adaptation of the work, other than—
(i) a translation of a literary or dramatic work, or
(ii) an arrangement or transcription of a musical work involving no more than a change of key or register; and
(b)
the treatment of a work is derogatory if it amounts to distortion or mutilation of the work or is otherwise prejudicial to the honour or reputation of the author or director;
You omitted this bit:George Lazarette wrote:
S. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way.
Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
section 80 says thisS. 80 gives the artist the right not to have his work published in an objectionable way.
Provided I don't make a public spectacle of it, I see nothing in the Act to stop me burning Tracey's bed.
80. — (1) The author of a copyright literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, and the director of a copyright film, has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
(2) For the purposes of this section—
(a)
“treatment" of a work means any addition to, deletion from or alteration to or adaptation of the work, other than—
(i) a translation of a literary or dramatic work, or
(ii) an arrangement or transcription of a musical work involving no more than a change of key or register; and
(b)
the treatment of a work is derogatory if it amounts to distortion or mutilation of the work or is otherwise prejudicial to the honour or reputation of the author or director;
(4) In the case of an artistic work the right is infringed by a person who—
(a)
publishes commercially or exhibits in public a derogatory treatment of the work, [F201or communicates to the public] a visual image of a derogatory treatment of the work,
George Lazarette wrote:
Hmmm.
Anvh wrote:
and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
So she's free on Sunday, and needs entertaining?and a Saturday will be filled by my girlfriend.......
Hmmm.
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Yeah she don't like auto racing.
About the entertaining part she is too young for you George and I think you will agree so if you want to spend the day with her go ahead you will do nothing so she will be in good hands with you.
I think you are guilty of age discrimination, Stefan, on which there is alo a large body of law. But I think we will spare other forumites all that.Yeah she don't like auto racing.
About the entertaining part she is too young for you George and I think you will agree so if you want to spend the day with her go ahead you will do nothing so she will be in good hands with you.
G
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Posted 17/07/2009 - 11:32
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About the law it says this in the begining
has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
So althose points stated there need to be follwed right so also point 2.
I do read it correct right?
Mhmm indeed George but can I help it that she is young and your not, maybe you're young inspirit but there are limits.
But really George like I've seen you in conversation I think you're a great guy and honest so I'm sure she would be safe and in good hands with you.
Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
So althose points stated there need to be follwed right so also point 2.
I do read it correct right?
Mhmm indeed George but can I help it that she is young and your not, maybe you're young inspirit but there are limits.
But really George like I've seen you in conversation I think you're a great guy and honest so I'm sure she would be safe and in good hands with you.
Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
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Posted 17/07/2009 - 12:41
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Anvh wrote:
About the law it says this in the begining
has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
So althose points stated there need to be follwed right so also point 2.
I do read it correct right?
No, I don't think so. In fact, reading it again, I see that the author has even fewer rights than you suppose because you are confusing ownership and authorship. See S. 2 and S.10.About the law it says this in the begining
has the right in the circumstances
mentioned in this section not to have his work subjected to derogatory treatment.
So althose points stated there need to be follwed right so also point 2.
I do read it correct right?
But my point was that derogatory treatment only applies if it is "published", ie: shown to the public. What I do to Tracey's bed in private is nobody's business but my own. {cue silly comments from the usual suspects}.
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Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
Now you are being impudent.Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
G
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Posted 17/07/2009 - 15:56
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Anvh wrote:
Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
That'd be me.
Didn't you work as doorman(?) at a pub or something like that or do I've someone else in mind now
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It's in the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works
these are the countries that signed it
This the agreement they signed for link
It's article 6bis i was referring to link
Article 6bis
(1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation or other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said work, which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation.
(2) The rights granted to the author in accordance with the preceding paragraph shall, after his death, be maintained, at least until the expiry of the economic rights, and shall be exercisable by the persons or institutions authorized by the legislation of the country where protection is claimed. However, those countries whose legislation, at the moment of their ratification of or accession to this Act, does not provide for the protection after the death of the author of all the rights set out in the preceding paragraph may provide that some of these rights may, after his death, cease to be maintained.
(3) The means of redress for safeguarding the rights granted by this Article shall be governed by the legislation of the country where protection is claimed.
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