Cheaper than Dust-Aid, and Artic Butterfly?

whelmed
Posted 05/06/2010 - 12:48 Link
Since my LBA has hit, I've been changing lenses all the time. So now my sensor getting dirtier and dirtier.

So there seems to be a bunch of things out there. Seems like the Arctic Butterfly (WAAAAY to expensive!) is the most mentioned one. The next level down seems to be Dust-Aid, but 30 quid for a bunch of wipes seems criminal.

There any cheap safe ways to clean the sensor? The blowers seems like a bad idea, compressed air can spit stuff out if you're not careful. So yeah, any suggestions?
K-5; Siggy 10-20 f4, 30mm f1.4, 18-50mm f2.8, 70-200mm f2.8; Tammy 400mm f4, 500mm f8
flossie
Posted 05/06/2010 - 13:05 Link
Have a read of this thread (from the Other Forum) its quite interesting, as its something I'm quite concerned about atm due to swapping lenses a lot and having problems with bits of pollen on the sensor and VF.

I'll just pinch one of the best quotes....
Quote:
I don't do any of this. In fact with over 150,000 actuations between 2 K20D's and a K10D, I've never used a swipe system to clean a sensor. I change lenses a lot on a wedding shoot and often rushed in bad conditions. Dust happens.

To remove it, like was said earlier, I use a rocket blower, on the mirror down, first to clean the mirror box. Then take a super soft artist paint brush (easily found at any art supply store) and give the sensor a gentle brushing to loosen any dust. Then use the blower again and she's clean. This happens several times a week before every shoot. Using a Loupe, the sensor's have never been scratched.

I wouldn't recommend compressed air though. Too powerful. If it propels airborne particles at a sensor, it's like a bullet and will either near permanently lodge on the sensor or damage it. They do scratch and fairly easily. I scratched one a few years ago although those scratches never effected the images for some reason.
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
dougf8
Posted 05/06/2010 - 14:07 Link
I looked a while back at this when I had the GX10. The cost of cleaning was a significant proportion of the value of the camera and there were no guarantees. IT could come back worse!!! with no come back! I decided to DIY.

Read and re-read all available web stuff. Google the top 10 suspects.

I bought Eclipse E2 and some "sensor swabs" from the ebay.
E2 was pretty standard and the swabs from the same seller looked OK and combined cost about half the cost of a professional clean. There are different Eclipse concoctions for different sensors. The seller did enquire what the E2 was for and agreed it was OK for my needs (phew)

A drop of E2 on the swab and drag it across in the prescribed manner and ... wet streaks.
A new swab, bit less E2 and it worked. Too much fluid and it can capillary behind the glass filter over the sensor and you're up a creek.

I took the used swab apart.
It basically was a glue spatula like there use to be in primary schools, double sided tape over the blade and cut and tied with cotton. The fabric looked like a pec pad. You could make one yourself but for this price it looks too fiddly to bother.

So I have about 7 swabs left and since cleaning I've been a bit more careful and luckily have no dust problem at the moment. I have a small blower in my camera bag always.

Its a bit nerve wrecking but if you do any kind of precision work you should be OK.

NB ped pads are NOT recommended for sensor cleaning (I guess this is to avoid law suits. NASA apparently use them for lens cleaning (the janitor cleans the bog mirrors)).

So, I think there is a risk/reward calculation, the risk of doing nothing or damaging the sensor vs clearing the dust. Given you probably won't get a "professional" guarantee to do the job right for quite a bit of cash its a tough call.

If I got dust on the K-7 I'd probably cry.
Lurking is shirking.!
dougf8
Posted 05/06/2010 - 14:10 Link
flossie wrote:

I wouldn't recommend compressed air though. Too powerful. If it propels airborne particles at a sensor
I've also read the compressed air cans (like air duster) may get oil contaminates from the compressor and you can end up puffing a fine film of oil over your stuff.
Lurking is shirking.!
flossie
Posted 05/06/2010 - 14:59 Link
well it may depend on the type of canned air - the stuff used for keeping (movie) film cameras clean won't leave any residue!

Looking at Panavision's store (and they should know...) they have their own brand (naturally...) of compressed air for 35mm/SS-16 use, but have the Artic Butterfly for the Red-One (an over-hyped digital movie camera)
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
Algernon
Posted 05/06/2010 - 15:15 Link
flossie wrote:
Looking at (and they should know...) they have their own brand (naturally...) of compressed air for 35mm/SS-16 use, but have the Artic Butterfly for the Red-One (an over-hyped digital movie camera)
I see they also have Brillo Pads Mind boggles

I would imagine the glass cleaner they sell to be quite good.

Unipart used to do a really good glass cleaner.... never found anything like it since.

Algi
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Algi
dougf8
Posted 05/06/2010 - 15:43 Link
flossie wrote:
well it may depend on the type of canned air - the stuff used for keeping (movie) film cameras clean won't leave any residue!
Movie camera's don't have sensors.
Lurking is shirking.!
TOZZA27
Posted 05/06/2010 - 15:46 Link
Ah - but the films have censors !
K20D,*istD ( now a dedicated M42 digital ),K100D,MZ5N,P50,ME Super,Spotmatic 1000,Spotmatic,ESII,ES,H2.18-55 II,18-55,75-300 FAJ,35-80 FA,80-200 F,28-105 FA,Sigma 24-70 AF Aspherical,Sigma 28-300 Hyperzoom , Praotor II 500 M42,Centon 500mm mirror,and a few Pentax M42 Taks,super-Taks,smc Taks,A and M lenses.Benbo trekker,7dayshop monopod and a Lowepro rucksack.

I am now on Flickr which is nice !
techno-terminator
Posted 05/06/2010 - 15:48 Link
Hmm TOZZA27

is that your coat on the peg behind you - the one that's beckoning ?
let the education continue

proud owner of a couple of cameras and a few bits and bobs
Edited by techno-terminator: 05/06/2010 - 15:49
dougf8
Posted 05/06/2010 - 15:52 Link
I understand there is a new range of Antarctic-butterfly swabs.
Guaranteed ash free.
Lurking is shirking.!
Pentaxophile
Posted 05/06/2010 - 16:04 Link
I have thought about making some sort of tool which you could attach to a vacuum cleaner - some sort of small nozzle which you would position near to (but obviously not touching) the sensor.

Soft art brushes sound a reasonable idea. At the moment I just use a rocket blower which clears 90% of the dust, but it can be a pain when fragments get up onto the focusing screen. And there is a lump of dust at the bottom of my sensor which won't budge.
TOZZA27
Posted 05/06/2010 - 16:19 Link
I`ll get my hat too............................

Tony
K20D,*istD ( now a dedicated M42 digital ),K100D,MZ5N,P50,ME Super,Spotmatic 1000,Spotmatic,ESII,ES,H2.18-55 II,18-55,75-300 FAJ,35-80 FA,80-200 F,28-105 FA,Sigma 24-70 AF Aspherical,Sigma 28-300 Hyperzoom , Praotor II 500 M42,Centon 500mm mirror,and a few Pentax M42 Taks,super-Taks,smc Taks,A and M lenses.Benbo trekker,7dayshop monopod and a Lowepro rucksack.

I am now on Flickr which is nice !
techno-terminator
Posted 05/06/2010 - 16:32 Link
Too hot for a hat
let the education continue

proud owner of a couple of cameras and a few bits and bobs
flossie
Posted 05/06/2010 - 16:42 Link
dougf8 wrote:
flossie wrote:
well it may depend on the type of canned air - the stuff used for keeping (movie) film cameras clean won't leave any residue!
Movie camera's don't have sensors.
no of course they don't (Hence the point about them suggesting Artic Butterfly for Red-1s). But they DO have a lot of rather delicate film running over a lot of rollers at high speed past some very (very) expensive glass, and the last thing you'd want is a smear of gunge from a spray horizontally across every frame - its bad enough when you get a hair in it... (unless you like overtime :twisted

I guess the brillo pads are for getting mud off or something - I shall ask a camera assistant when I next see one!
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
Edited by flossie: 05/06/2010 - 16:43
snappychappy
Posted 05/06/2010 - 17:46 Link
Rocket blower and arctic butterly used here, there expensive, but then again so is your gear.

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