AP First Look at K7

George Lazarette
Posted 14/06/2009 - 22:57 Link
shim wrote:
You weren't trying to sell magazines though. Hasselblad has been the default choice camera for magazines since it first appeared, but it rarely gets featured in AP.
shim
The clue is in the name, Shim: AMATEUR photographer. The 'Blad, in case you don't know, is aimed at professionals.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
grahamwalton
Posted 14/06/2009 - 23:57 Link
If the graphics and publishing pros all used PCs then Microsoft would have a monopoly.
Friendly Regards
Graham
Tooks
Posted 15/06/2009 - 00:38 Link
shim wrote:
You weren't trying to sell magazines though. Hasselblad has been the default choice camera for magazines since it first appeared, but it rarely gets featured in AP. Now digitals here I doubt if any magazines use 10M pixel cameras, but the photographic magazines still feature them.

If they aren't getting paid for using Macs, their even dafter than I thought. The average beginner with a digital camera and a PC can't even transfer the pictures over without struggling, so how they are supposed to follow whats going on on a Mac is beyond me.

There are plenty books published on Photoshop/Elements for the PC, so if they can do it why not magazines.

Pentax have used product placement in a few "How to" magazines and DeWalt seem to be the main supplier of tools to DIY magazines, even though they are expensive.

Not long ago Berghaus seemed to be worn by 99% of outside TV reporters, I find it hard to believe that everybody actually paid for Berghaus jackets.

shim
I think you're confusing what magazines feature in their publications/articles with what they use to actually get the job done.

Product placement and samples are legitimate marketing techniques employed by a lot of companies, but there is such a thing as journalistic integrity and personally I think the case for magazine reviewers struggling home with mountains of free kit each month is overstated.

But sure, in isolated cases it must happen that some reviews are 'coloured' by pressure, either direct or implied, from the manufacturer.

I know a favourite mountain bike magazine of mine lost all it's advertising from a bike manufacturer for a while because it printed a poor review of one of its products.

They got that advertising back though, as the manufacturer concerned couldn't ignore the circulation figures of the magazine, and the potential customers, and wanted back in. That is the powerful influence that magazines have, and because of that most of them manage to maintain their independence with reviews, certainly in the UK.

I've read a few publications that are blatantly just one big 'advertorial', but AP isn't one of them...
Edited by Tooks: 15/06/2009 - 00:42
Pentaxophile
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:11 Link
This week's AP. Please tell me where the Canon-Nikon bias is!

Quote:
Pentax K-7
Angela Nicholson takes a first look at Pentax's first DSLR camera to enter the highly competitive 'pro-sumer' market

Olympus E-450
How does the Olympus E-450 differ from its predecessor, the E-420? Richard Sibley investigates the changes

Canon EOS 50D vs Olympus E-30
While the Canon EOS 50D has 15 million pixels and an impressive sensitivity range, the 12-million-pixel Olympus E-30 has a versatile articulated screen. Angela Nicholson chooses the best £800 model
johnriley
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:20 Link
You can't draw any conclusions from a snapshot - a single magazine - but you can from the general run of them over a period of months.

I think that AP have really taken on board their perceived bias and do try to be impartial to a degree beyond what most magazines do.
Best regards, John
George Lazarette
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:21 Link
"Pentax's first DSLR camera to enter the highly competitive 'pro-sumer' market".

Really?

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Mannesty
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:30 Link
grahamwalton wrote:
If the graphics and publishing pros all used PCs then Microsoft would have a monopoly.
Microsoft . . . monopoly . . . surely not.
Peter E Smith - flickr Photostream
shim
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:44 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
shim wrote:
You weren't trying to sell magazines though. Hasselblad has been the default choice camera for magazines since it first appeared, but it rarely gets featured in AP.
shim
The clue is in the name, Shim: AMATEUR photographer. The 'Blad, in case you don't know, is aimed at professionals.

G
We were talking about the pro equipment used in the production of magazines.

shim
johnriley
Posted 15/06/2009 - 12:57 Link
Quote:
"Pentax's first DSLR camera to enter the highly competitive 'pro-sumer' market".

Really?
I totally agree with what your comment implies George, and it's one of the things that does irritate me. That is, when the headlines don't really reflect what the main text is saying. They are just there to grab attention and they aren't well thought out. I suspect it may be a sub-editor somewhere who does that and they just go for the catchy line.

I'm not even sure I like the "prosumer" tag in this respect - I would put cameras like the X70 more in that bracket. DSLRs are for "professional" use, in the sense of proficient amateurs and professionals. The latter are sometime proficient too!

The same is often true of MTF graphs. The conclusions are often not borne out by the graphs, or maybe sometimes the text doesn't really get borne out by the supporting images.

It's all a bit sloppy really.
Best regards, John
greynolds999
Posted 15/06/2009 - 13:02 Link
Of course it's a 'Prosumer' camera. Professional DSLR users have Nikons or Canons!
greynolds999
Posted 15/06/2009 - 13:03 Link
Or am I being unfair?
Mike-P
Posted 15/06/2009 - 14:11 Link
greynolds999 wrote:
Of course it's a 'Prosumer' camera. Professional DSLR users have Nikons or Canons!

Or am I being unfair?
I actually think you are being unfair .. I saw one with a Sony the other day.
Edited by Mike-P: 15/06/2009 - 14:11
Gwyn
Posted 15/06/2009 - 14:25 Link
greynolds999 wrote:
Of course it's a 'Prosumer' camera. Professional DSLR users have Nikons or Canons!
Benjikan (Ben Kanerek) springs to mind as a professional still using Pentax, inspite of losing his sponsorship. At least that's the impression I get from his postings on Pentaxforums.
greynolds999
Posted 15/06/2009 - 14:58 Link
OK, The point I was making (very badly) was that as far as the press is concerned, a professional would not be using a Pentax.

Therefore any Pentax offering, not matter how good will at best be called a Prosumer camera. They simply cannot imagine anything else.

i'm sure if Pentax revive medium format they would change their minds...
loskeran
Posted 15/06/2009 - 15:13 Link
I do not care what they call Pentax, I like mine, it's their hard luck if they want any other make.

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