Advice on shooting flying aircraft.

jeallen01
Posted 07/03/2013 - 20:39 Link
baldrick wrote:


Father Ted, one caveat when you focus on infinity. A lot of people just manually focus till they hit the stop at infinity, if you do that you will have focussed past infinity. (that usually starts an argument) Use the AF to focus on a distant land mark.
With the K-5 & 100-300 Sigma etc., I continually reset it to infinity (which is pretty accurate) and let it track nearer where necessary, which seems to work quite well. If only it had a focus limiter to stop it focusing closer than about 100m!
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
johnha
Posted 07/03/2013 - 21:48 Link
One tip I would suggest if framing with little space around the edges of the frame: Make sure you check you have what you want in the frame.

It's really easy to miss wing-tips & tail-planes out of the edges of the frame (at least for me). You'll need to be panning quite quickly with long lenses, and airliners especially (thin wings & silver/grey colours) make it easy to loose them amongst a bright sky.

Also, wheels look OK either up or down, but rarely in between (watch out for the doors which look silly if the wheel has disappeared).

A rough break down of what I think ruins my shots:
30% - Framing errors, poles, fences, people in shot etc.
20% - Not sharp due to shake
20% - Exposure/flare problems
10% - Not sharp due to focus
10% - User error (fail to drive camera correctly)*
10% - Over ambitious attempts - sometimes you aren't going to get it but try anyway

* Don't drop the camera if you're trying to shoot quickly, the lens cap's on, your binoculars are tangled round your neck and you've got a hot dog in your hand...

EDIT - Deleted spurious 'the' in the second line.
Edited by johnha: 07/03/2013 - 22:12
jeallen01
Posted 07/03/2013 - 22:01 Link
johnha wrote:
One tip I would suggest if framing with little space around the edges of the frame: Make sure you check the you have what you want in the frame.

It's really easy to miss wing-tips & tail-planes out of the edges of the frame (at least for me). You'll need to be panning quite quickly with long lenses, and airliners especially (thin wings & silver/grey colours) make it easy to loose them amongst a bright sky.

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That can be a problem if you use TOO long a focal length setting - I often have trouble at 300mm + the TC (= 440mm) because you get a great view of the aircraft, or at least MOST of it because the wing tips or tail get chopped off ! especially if you are panning quickly! That's another reason why a 150-500mm zoom may not be a purchase very soon.
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
Edited by jeallen01: 07/03/2013 - 22:04
HowardJ
Posted 08/03/2013 - 10:55 Link
johnha wrote:
HowardJ wrote:


Sorry to hijack your post again. These are from a trip to Manchester Airport yesterday
Hi Howard.

Where did you get the top shot from (the opposite side to the viewing park)?

John.
Good morning John,

You are absolutely right, it was on the mound opposite the viewing park. It's where I normally go when I go there.

How often do you go?

Cheers,

Howard

Cymru Am Byth
johnha
Posted 08/03/2013 - 12:13 Link
Hi Howard,

Is that the mound behind the 'old' viewing park (which was the otherside of the runway tunnel)? I went looking for that about a year ago but thought they'd removed it when they built the second runway.

I used to go a lot, not so much recently but with the better weather might make it more frequently.

John.
Blincodave
Posted 08/03/2013 - 14:31 Link
Do let us know how you get on with this purchase.

Dave

Having looked at the reviews, I have just ordered one from Hong Kong

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-for...

Probably be around £90 when I have paid the UK import taxes etc., but it should be worth it to save the strain on my back which often aches a lot after a day at an airshow with the K-5 & 100-300 Sigma around my neck. OTOH, it means I have to take the tripod etc.,with me, and that ain't light!![/quote]
gwing
Posted 08/03/2013 - 15:13 Link
I happen to have had one of these for the last six months as well and it's probably the best money I've ever spent on new kit. Really good and does everything you could reasonably expect of a gimball head regardless of price.

On mine, for the unrealistic condition of just moving the head with no camera or lens attached, I can feel some small amount of stiction in the bearings but once weighted with camera/lens that completely dissapears. It's difficult to see what the much more expensive options could really do any better.

Rgds,
Rob.

Blincodave wrote:
Do let us know how you get on with this purchase.

Dave

Having looked at the reviews, I have just ordered one from Hong Kong

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-for...

Probably be around £90 when I have paid the UK import taxes etc., but it should be worth it to save the strain on my back which often aches a lot after a day at an airshow with the K-5 & 100-300 Sigma around my neck. OTOH, it means I have to take the tripod etc.,with me, and that ain't light!!
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Blincodave
Posted 08/03/2013 - 15:17 Link
Thanks for that Rob. Did you buy from the same source?

Dave
HowardJ
Posted 08/03/2013 - 16:51 Link
johnha wrote:
Hi Howard,

Is that the mound behind the 'old' viewing park (which was the otherside of the runway tunnel)? I went looking for that about a year ago but thought they'd removed it when they built the second runway.

I used to go a lot, not so much recently but with the better weather might make it more frequently.

John.
Hi John,

Yes - I think.

http://www.plane-mad.com/airport-spotting-guides/united-kingdom/manchester-man-e...

This is a good site for viewing positions, the one I'm talking about is position C on the map. It's under the 2nd tunnel (coming from the M56) turn left at the round about then sharp right and there's a narrow bit of the old road for parking. Through the gate at the top and follow the path. Easy (when you know how!!)

Hope that helps. Might see you there one day.

Cheers,

Howard

Cymru Am Byth
jeallen01
Posted 23/03/2013 - 11:28 Link
jeallen01 wrote:
baldrick wrote:
Good morning jeallon, My gimbal is branded "Beike"(never heard of them before) and here is an Ebay link to a Chinese gentleman selling them for AU $89.95 with free postage, world wide. When I look at the quality of the Knock off I have to wonder how people like Wimberly,Benro or Induro justify their prices.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-fo...
OTOH, I realised that my old Jessops tripod is not really up to the mass of the Beike mount, K-5 and a long lens on top - so that looks like the next (expensive!) purchase.

Many thanks

Having looked at the reviews, I have just ordered one from Hong Kong

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-for...

Probably be around £90 when I have paid the UK import taxes etc., but it should be worth it to save the strain on my back which often aches a lot after a day at an airshow with the K-5 & 100-300 Sigma around my neck. OTOH, it means I have to take the tripod etc.,with me, and that ain't light!!
Update - the mount arrived on the 21st, so about 14 days from the order. And there was no import duty or VAT to pay, so it cost about £62 in total!

BTW - as commented in some other threads about this mount, the horizontal swivel was very tight to start with but spraying some liquid PTFE into the joint area seems to have helped considerably, and that should improve as it penetrates further.

Something else - I just found out that you will need a tripod thread adaptor something like this because the thread in the base of the Beike mount is a 3/8th" one, whereas most tripod top screws are 1/4" - Luckily I realised that I already have one (and some thread-lock compound is probably also advisable to ensure the bush stays in the bottom of the mount).

OTOH I realised that my old Jessops tripod is not really rigid enough for the combined mass of the mount, K-5 and a long lens on top - so that looks like the next buy . Anyone have suggestions for a decent but not too heavy and expensive replacement?
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
Edited by jeallen01: 23/03/2013 - 11:32
Blincodave
Posted 23/03/2013 - 11:51 Link
Thanks for the update. Seriously considering this purchase.
Posted 26/03/2013 - 21:26 Link
I too have puchased the same gimbal head as jeallen01 with pretty much the same buying experience. The seller is extremely professional with a very quick delivery and although I haven't used the head in anger yet it works smoothly and seems well made.
baldrick
Posted 29/03/2013 - 12:51 Link
jeallen01 wrote:
jeallen01 wrote:
baldrick wrote:
Good morning jeallon, My gimbal is branded "Beike"(never heard of them before) and here is an Ebay link to a Chinese gentleman selling them for AU $89.95 with free postage, world wide. When I look at the quality of the Knock off I have to wonder how people like Wimberly,Benro or Induro justify their prices.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-fo...
OTOH, I realised that my old Jessops tripod is not really up to the mass of the Beike mount, K-5 and a long lens on top - so that looks like the next (expensive!) purchase.

Many thanks

Having looked at the reviews, I have just ordered one from Hong Kong

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360-Gimbal-Tripod-Head-BK-45-Specialized-1-4-Screw-for...

Probably be around £90 when I have paid the UK import taxes etc., but it should be worth it to save the strain on my back which often aches a lot after a day at an airshow with the K-5 & 100-300 Sigma around my neck. OTOH, it means I have to take the tripod etc.,with me, and that ain't light!!
Update - the mount arrived on the 21st, so about 14 days from the order. And there was no import duty or VAT to pay, so it cost about £62 in total!

BTW - as commented in some other threads about this mount, the horizontal swivel was very tight to start with but spraying some liquid PTFE into the joint area seems to have helped considerably, and that should improve as it penetrates further.

Something else - I just found out that you will need a tripod thread adaptor something like this because the thread in the base of the Beike mount is a 3/8th" one, whereas most tripod top screws are 1/4" - Luckily I realised that I already have one (and some thread-lock compound is probably also advisable to ensure the bush stays in the bottom of the mount).

OTOH I realised that my old Jessops tripod is not really rigid enough for the combined mass of the mount, K-5 and a long lens on top - so that looks like the next buy . Anyone have suggestions for a decent but not too heavy and expensive replacement?
Hullo jeallen, yes the thread on the Beike is 3/8 female Whitworth and if you remove your tripod head you should find a male 3/8 Whitworth thread on almost every brand tripod I`ve ever seen.
Simmo
Pentax K20d,Pentax DA16-45,Pentax DAL55-300,Sigma18-200,Sigma 150-500
Edited by baldrick: 29/03/2013 - 12:52
jeallen01
Posted 29/03/2013 - 13:12 Link
Quote:
Hullo jeallen, yes the thread on the Beike is 3/8 female Whitworth and if you remove your tripod head you should find a male 3/8 Whitworth thread on almost every brand tripod I`ve ever seen.
Simmo
Unfortunately not on my old Jessops tripod, you don't - just a cheap pan & tilt head.
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)

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