A Black & White Soft Ice
I've never got to grips with fill-flash tending err on the side of caution, often not using enough power. This one certainly fills all of the shadows, giving the little girls a stark almost cardboard cut-out character. They certainly stand out from the defocused background.
(Word to the wise, although perhaps too late for you, having only one boy solves the short change crisis!)
Andrew
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David
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Philip
What a lovely family, Nigel. A perfect moment captured for ever.
I've never got to grips with fill-flash tending err on the side of caution, often not using enough power. This one certainly fills all of the shadows, giving the little girls a stark almost cardboard cut-out character. They certainly stand out from the defocused background.
(Word to the wise, although perhaps too late for you, having only one boy solves the short change crisis!)
I've checked the exif for this one, and it was at f6.3, +0.3 flash exposure at 35mm, 180th/sec. I usually set fill-flash to -0.7 or -1.0, but here the meter was fighting very bright open sky behind, so after a few previous shots I had settled on +0.3.
I didn't say before, but this was with the 18-55 WR AL zoom, the one that came out with the K7 back in 2009. Its generally regarded as the pick of the 'kits', and certainly its IQ stands up and is very useful for many situations.
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The bokeh of the tree in the middle looks almost painted on.
I assume you were using the camera's built in flash?
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Looking at the shot again it has a Martin Parr quality to it, although he always works in colour (that sounds a bit daft, but I hope you know what I mean.)
I've been really lucky with my Pentax kit lenses: mine have always been good copies and I never hesitate to use them when I want ease of use or flexible focal lengths. Folks are always in such a rush to ditch their kit lenses. I agree, Pentax 18-55s are generally much better than other brands. I bought my K5 without a lens but have since sourced one of the weather-proof models which is very solidly made and makes a good splash-proof pairing with my K10.
Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
My website: http://www.ephotozine.com/user/bwlchmawr-199050
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/78898196@N05
That's a very attractive and natural photo. I also found the background technical info interesting.
David
Great shot and one the girls will treasure in the future
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However it matters not IMO as it works in this instance.
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Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
I really like this shot but I do agree that the children look a bit detached from the background. In some ways that makes it a bit different.
The bokeh of the tree in the middle looks almost painted on.
I assume you were using the camera's built in flash?
The kids were well exposed by the flash, so needed only a small upwards tweak, plus a big mono contrast boost, but the background sky area was very much blown to the extent that quite a lot of tree detail was lost (giving a few hovering branches!). I really pulled the highlights back massively and this has created the unusual bokeh effects I think as bits of detail poke through where others have gone.
Just for interest I ran the DNG through PDCU without any adjustments ... this effectively gives us a camera JPEG, what some call an 'out the camera' shot ... here's that 'camera' version followed by my mono for comparison :


Hopefully you'll still agree I took the right route with the processing. Certainly it solved a lot of difficult issues of colour and contrast and using the B & W panel colour wheel I could 'dial in' extra contrast and depth to a number of colour tones when converted.
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If I had taken this the most I probably would have done was a touch of clarity and bringing the highlight down. I think you have balanced the flash light almost perfectly. In fact if it wasn't for the shadow of the ice cream on her arm it would be difficult to spot that you had used flash at all. In many ways the B&W treatment has highlighted the flash effect.
A lovely moment, captured well in colour or B&W
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TBH I think I prefer the original now that I've seen it.
With this kind of family image it's always going to be very subjective and personal, but I really like your B&W treatment.
But as Ralph and others have said, a lovely moment beautifully captured.
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The mono arose out of experimentation really - I was having trouble in colour with the very strong backlighting (the shot is fill-flashed) causing washed out tones, and contrast was a nightmare, so I opened it in Lightzone and tried the B & W panel, and was pleased with the results. Thanks for taking a look.
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver