[OT] Through the wormhole.

Posted 26/11/2012 - 17:30 Link
Through the wormhole.

The idea of a desert island have been done to often, so I figured I might as well try a thought-experiment that goes a little bit further.

What would you bring with you through a wormhole, and why?

The restrictions are that it can not be more than you can carry in one go, and the items should exist as of today.
Something that leads to one backpack, one shoulder bag and maybe two rolling bags.

Compared to an island this is a bit more interesting. You will not know how far back you will go, where you will end up, and if you ever will be able to return. Considering this, it would be an idea to remember that your direct descendants might want to use the items you bring, and preserve the captured data until the day and time where technology again makes it possible to copy them.
DrOrloff
Posted 26/11/2012 - 19:28 Link
A big rope anchored at the departure point so I could pull myself back again if it was a bit rubbish on the other side, a bottle of Theakston's Old Peculier and a cheese sandwich.
Smeggypants
Posted 26/11/2012 - 22:08 Link
Thought this thread as going to be about the excellent science Series narrated by the late Morgan Freeman.


I think I'd take a wormhole.
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johnriley
Posted 26/11/2012 - 22:18 Link
I'm not sure yet what relevance this has to Pentax photography...you seem to be asking what you could take into the past to record the world in a way that could last into the present.

Nothing. Almost anything you could take would disappear in time. Digital would be useless. Film would get thrown away or destroyed. The most you could hope for is going back 100 years or so. Anything longer would be untenable.

At least you could be rescued from the desert island, and the purpose of that was to see how we related to having a choice of just one lens for every purpose.
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fatspider
Posted 26/11/2012 - 23:35 Link
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Almost anything you could take would disappear in time
I agree with John, the very last episode of Battlestar Galactica proved that very point, we never found any remains of the ships (at least the shuttles) that brought mankind to Planet Earth

As for going back in time, a few decades should be enough for me, long enough to live out my life instead of waiting in the 21st Century for the end of the world in just a few weeks time, and I'd be able to buy myself a NEW Spotmatic
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gartmore
Posted 27/11/2012 - 10:57 Link
If time travel was possible someone from the future or the past would have told us about it.
Ken
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DrOrloff
Posted 27/11/2012 - 12:40 Link
Not necessarily.

Someone from the past could only tell someone from the future about time travel once time travel has been invented. And it hasn't yet. Future time travel though is theoretically possible.

I agree that someone from the future would have told us if backwards time travel were possible. Either that or they would have kept quiet about it but William Hills would have gone out of business.

So that leaves forwards time travel. However, how would someone from the past prove to someone from the future that they had travelled through time?
Gwyn
Posted 27/11/2012 - 12:55 Link
A towel. If it was good enough for Arthur Dent it is good enough for me.

Though to be honest I have enough trouble with ling in the now without having to contend with wormholes and time travel.
Frogherder
Posted 05/12/2012 - 13:04 Link
I would have thought that information (pick almost any subject you like) would be a valuable currency, certainly to people in the past.

Snag is there is always the problem of who first thought of the idea.
What is common knowledge today, eg e=mc2 is attributed to Einstein, but if some one from the future gave him the idea, where did it originally come from?. We're almost back to killing off your great gradfather when he was an infant.

Travelling forward only confirms/corrects information that is already known.

regards
Bernard.

Oh, In answer to your original question - I would take basic hand tools, useful in either direction
Edited by Frogherder: 05/12/2012 - 13:04
Smeggypants
Posted 05/12/2012 - 19:45 Link
DrOrloff wrote:
Not necessarily.

Someone from the past could only tell someone from the future about time travel once time travel has been invented. And it hasn't yet. Future time travel though is theoretically possible.

I agree that someone from the future would have told us if backwards time travel were possible. Either that or they would have kept quiet about it but William Hills would have gone out of business.

So that leaves forwards time travel. However, how would someone from the past prove to someone from the future that they had travelled through time?
Forward time travel is possible given time is relative. All you have to do is travel exceedingly fast.
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Posted 05/12/2012 - 22:39 Link
The idea was since it was placed in general chat and marked as OT (off-topic), that it would actually turn into something pentax-related.

I never thought the Ot-thread would end up this off-topic of its original Ot-design
DrOrloff
Posted 05/12/2012 - 22:46 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
DrOrloff wrote:
Not necessarily.

Someone from the past could only tell someone from the future about time travel once time travel has been invented. And it hasn't yet. Future time travel though is theoretically possible.

I agree that someone from the future would have told us if backwards time travel were possible. Either that or they would have kept quiet about it but William Hills would have gone out of business.

So that leaves forwards time travel. However, how would someone from the past prove to someone from the future that they had travelled through time?
Forward time travel is possible given time is relative. All you have to do is travel exceedingly fast.
Or just a bit faster than someone else. Or just be a bit higher than someone else. I live at 423m so I will see the future before a Londoner. My FF Pentax was worth waiting for.
Frogherder
Posted 07/12/2012 - 17:58 Link
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Forward time travel is possible given time is relative. All you have to do is travel exceedingly fast
All you really need to do is keep breathing in and out. We're all travelling into the future, albeit at pretty much the same speed (roughly 24 hours evey day).


Bernard.

I seem to recall a discussion (in this forum) about a camera that took pictures before you pressed the shutter, does that count as time travel

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