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Weekly Compeition #536 - Nostalgia Competition

Competition Details
Closing Date: 22/10/2017
Judge: davidtrout

Nostalgia - for you to interpret how you see it. We live at a forward looking time with science and technology advancing with an ever increasing momentum. Yet never have people (at least the Brits) been more interested in the past. Re-enactments, visits to stately homes and museums on the increase, steam railways, old collieries and workshops etc to choose from. Also photographers have an increasing interest in urban and rural dereliction. Plenty of scope there then.
Rules are flexible except for the two most important ones, pictures must be shot on Pentax or closely related clone cameras and the winner should be prepared to set the following week's subject and then judge and comment on all the entries.
Deadline: Midnight British time Sunday October 22.
Competition Entries
davidtrout
Posted 23/10/2017 - 00:10 Link
Weekly Competition #536 Nostalgia

Not a big entry this week but one that attracted some really good photographs bang on topic. Many of them certainly took me back in time to when I was young.

Talyllyn Railway by Perspicador
I love this little railway tucked away in beautiful green valley in North Wales - the world's first working steam railway to be restored by enthusiasts and volunteers from dereliction and turned into a major tourist attraction. This photo taken at Tywyn of the engine Tom Rolt brings back nostalgic memories for me. It certainly fits the brief for this competition. But as a picture it would have benefited from a smaller aperture to increase the depth of field which is concentrated in a narrow band around the side of the engine and falls off rapidly along the length of the train. But it's a good view of a popular and very attractive tourist attraction in Wales.

Old Remington Typewriter by Mudge
I like the choice of subject here, kids today won't have a clue what this is. The detail is superb and evokes memories for me as my dad had a very similar Underwood typewriter which today lies in a cupboard under my stairs. This Remington looks a little battered and bruised and some of the keys appear to have tangled up. They used to do that sometimes if you typed too quickly. It is certainly nostalic and the detail in the photo is very good.

When we were very young by i-Berg
Like the previous picture this has poignant memories of my father for me. He used to read me AA Milne stories when I was very young. I love this little front wheel drive tricycle like lots of tots had years ago. It looks so cute despite its run down appearance and is a superb choice for this competition. Handheld at 1/3 of a second implies a very steady hand even with Pentax SR.

Little House on The Prairie 1917 by JudithAnn.
What a delightful period piece. It's picture is perfectly arranged and the post processing artistically done for best effect. I really like the way you've captured the central girl in mid skip - a perfect action shot - and the caring attitude of the young mum in among the children. It's a scene typical in photographs of children playing 100 and more years ago right across the world and not just on the Prairies of North Americas and has a wonderful nostalgic feel to it.

Noddy with legs on by GlynM
This is enormous fun and made me smile. I love the picture for its vibrant colour and typical GlynM quality and Glyn's story behind it. As always with this type of picture from Glyn the attention to detail has been carefully worked out. Other toys a toddler might have are sprinkled along the bookshelves and the choice of books is aimed at very young children. No heavy reading such as War and Peace or The Rise and Fallof the Roman Empire here. What a delight.

Big Boys' Toys by JAK
Plenty of nostalgia here for the days before British Railways were Nationalised and different companies had various styles of passenger coach. A train of teak bodied express carriages like this from the London and North Eastern Railway would have looked fine being hauled at speed on the East Coast Mainline by Flying Scotsman or Mallard or one of their classmates. Thanks to the small dedicated band of professionals and an army of volunteers industrial treasures such as this are being saved for future generations to enjoy. No thanks to the vandals who recently caused damage to carriages such as this on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. Perhaps this is one of the wrecked ones under repair. Yes its nostalgic for anyone who can remember these carriages still in use well into the 1950s. I like the way JAK has included the engineer's drawing in the foreground to help tell the story.

Caboose by Wolvesrule
Another relic from railway history. The caboose was used by railroads throughout North America by freight train guards in the same way guards vans were used in Britain. This one is well recorded by Wolvesrule 's camera to clearly show the detail in these large rail vehicles. Taken on a K2 so I imagine this is a scan from film negative or print, and it works very well.

Kingswear Castle by MikeinDevon
I love paddle steamers - we used to have family holidays at Rothesay on the Isle of Bute when I was little and this is how you travelled between the Clyde Coast towns and islands. The Kingswear Castle, passing its namesake, is a fine example of the type and has a good collection of tourists on board. It's a delight to see this.

How we used to do it by Vic Cross
Looking at this collection I can imagine the reek of darkroom chemicals used in producing prints - and that's nostalgia for you. And I appreciate the vignette Vic. Its a most appropriate photo for a photographic competition, older 'togs will all have their memories jogged by this.

Running repairs by Paulb531
I don't know what the running repairs entail here Paul, I hope it s not a leak high up in the saddle tank. Hundreds of this class of loco were built during and after World War 11 to help the war effort and army engineers. After the war they were so useful many were sold to the LNER and became common shunting engines on the Eastern and North Eastern Regions of British Railways which classified them J94. Hundreds more went to work with the NCB and steelworks across the country. As a result many survived long after the mainline scrapped steam and are now still working on heritage railways right across Britain. It's a good example to demonstrate nostalgia.

Nostalgia from the future John Riley
What an original idea, to look back at our contemporary time by imagining a date in the future. It's the stuff of SciFi. It strikes me that if a filling station had stood deserted for several decades it would look much more run down and overgrown with weeds than this rather clean and apparently recently abandoned building seems here. However it's the idea and photographic competence that really matter in the context of the competition and they appeal to me.
The result:
1 JudithAnn.
2 GlynM
=3 I-Berg and Mudge.
Edited by davidtrout: 23/10/2017 - 00:17
JAK
Posted 23/10/2017 - 00:40 Link
Well done Judith, like you've never been away! Great photo. Congrats too to GlynM, I-Berg and Mudge.
All in all, a wonderful nostalgic collection and well assessed by David. Thanks.
John K
i-Berg
Posted 23/10/2017 - 01:01 Link
Congrats JA, Glyn and Mudge. Thank you David - some quality work submitted in response to your topic.
Mag07
Posted 23/10/2017 - 08:04 Link
Congratulations to all winners, particularly first place. What a wonderful image.
'Photography...it remembers little things, long after you have forgotten....' (Aaron Siskind)
johnriley
Posted 23/10/2017 - 08:37 Link
My apologies for the last entry disappearing for a while, we managed to get it back in place and if David could pass a few comments on The Beatles that would be great.
Best regards, John
davidtrout
Posted 23/10/2017 - 09:03 Link
For the 60's Generation by Noelcmn

Noel's excellent late entry suffered a technical hitch just before the deadline closed and it vanished before I was able to comment on it. Its now been restored so here is what I intended to say:

'At first I wondered about the ethics of copying someone else's photo to use but then decided Noel didn't just reproduce this image, he worked on it in PP to create something original which for millions of Beetles fans really screams nostalgia. I consider it to be a valid entry and one that fulfills the requirement of this week's challenge.'

It could be said that every entry is a copy of someone else's work - John's filing station forecourt for instance was the work of an architect and then snapped by John. The locomotives and various machines that have appeared were the work of designers and engineers, etc etc ect.
Perhaps Glyn's Noddy is the closest thing to a truly original work
having been literally assembled by him from a variety of sources. But even Noddy himself was made by someone else.
This argument could continue through the whole field of photography - Landscape photographers may only just snap a view that already exists but the skill they bring to interpreting that view is what matters.
David
Edited by davidtrout: 23/10/2017 - 09:22
GlynM
Posted 23/10/2017 - 09:10 Link
Many thanks David for another of your superb competitions.

Thanks also for awarding my image the coveted 2nd place .

Congratulations to Judith for the well deserved winning image, my fellow podium sitters, i-Berge and Mudge and everyone else for a grand set of timeless images.

Glyn
JAK
Posted 23/10/2017 - 12:04 Link
Noel's late submission is in fact known as a derivative work so might need the authorisation of the copyright holder to use the image.
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p22_derivative_works.en.htm
I've no idea as to the extent this has been changed from the original to qualify as having created a new work. Should any authority deem it is in breach It might be worth pointing out that for a conviction for copyright infringement in a magistrates' court the maximum term of incarceration in the UK for copyright infringement is 6 months and/or a fine of up to £50,000. Upon conviction in a Crown Court the maximum term of incarceration in the UK for copyright infringement is 10 years and/or an "unlimited" fine. So it really isn't worth risking it just for a PU weekly comp!
As to a photograph of a building or landscape scene, these are not normally subject to copyright so If you are able to photograph them from a public place then you may do so and do not need the owner's permission. There may be times it would be courteous to seek permission but it is not a legal requirement.

See also https://www.gov.uk/copyright
John K
Edited by JAK: 23/10/2017 - 12:32
davidtrout
Posted 23/10/2017 - 16:48 Link
Thanks for the legal guidelines on copyright John. However in mitigation I would ask the court to take into consideration the fact that Noel did not knowlingly set out to flout the law and nor did he gain any financial benefit from his actions. Normally one would expect the copyright to expire after 70 years = in this case the original photograph was presumably taken in the early to mid 1960s so more than 50 years of that time have already elapsed reducing the seriousness of the offence and hopefully encouraging a much reduced sentence of a non-custodial nature.
Edited by davidtrout: 23/10/2017 - 16:49
paulb531
Posted 23/10/2017 - 20:10 Link
Congratulations to Judith Ann a very high quality winning entry. Many thanks to David for the competition and expert analysis. Also, he certainly knows a thing or two about trains.

Paul
JAK
Posted 23/10/2017 - 20:52 Link
davidtrout wrote:
Thanks for the legal guidelines on copyright John. However in mitigation I would ask the court to take into consideration the fact that Noel did not knowlingly set out to flout the law and nor did he gain any financial benefit from his actions. Normally one would expect the copyright to expire after 70 years = in this case the original photograph was presumably taken in the early to mid 1960s so more than 50 years of that time have already elapsed reducing the seriousness of the offence and hopefully encouraging a much reduced sentence of a non-custodial nature.

Not 70 years, 70 years after the author’s death. The author could be still be alive!
If the photo shown was included within a general scene such as that pub's interior and not forming the major part of the image, it would likely be fine however.
In any event, plagiarising someone else's photo and entering it in a competition where the work has to be your own must surely be a no no. As JR says in the competition rules page, 'Images should be all your own work.' This wasn't.
John K
Edited by JAK: 23/10/2017 - 21:00
drofmit
Posted 24/10/2017 - 09:17 Link
The current conversation between JAK and David Trout is a major part of the reason I haven't posted anything recently....
legal matters aside, all the fun seems to have vanished... and not just on this site...
everyone, everywhere seems to be sniping at each other, bickering about what's right or wrong....
spontaneity has been driven to the cliff and chucked over!!
Never be afraid to talk about your techniques...
"Give a thousand photographers...
the same camera, lens and scene...
and you'll always get a thousand different takes!!"
Anon.
davidtrout
Posted 24/10/2017 - 10:49 Link
I'm not aware I was bickering with JAK, just trying to justify going ahead with commenting on the photo in question despite it being a copy.
David
JAK
Posted 24/10/2017 - 11:28 Link
drofmit wrote:
The current conversation between JAK and David Trout is a major part of the reason I haven't posted anything recently....
legal matters aside, all the fun seems to have vanished... and not just on this site...
everyone, everywhere seems to be sniping at each other, bickering about what's right or wrong....
spontaneity has been driven to the cliff and chucked over!!

So it's OK to enter someone else's photograph for a competition and it mustn't be queried?
John K
Edited by JAK: 24/10/2017 - 11:28
johnriley
Posted 24/10/2017 - 13:04 Link
Well, questioning something is fine, but let's not go too far with it?

The competition is up to the Judge, and most competitions state that "no correspondence will be entered into" and we can see why. In the case of this forum, we accidentally took the image off and hastened to restore it. If it had raised any alarm bells it would have been removed, but as it happens it slipped on by. 'Tis done now, although the comments have been duly noted, so let's see what JudithAnn has up her sleeve for us.
Best regards, John
JudithAnn
Posted 24/10/2017 - 16:08 Link
Sorry for checking in late. Thank you for the win. That was so unexpected. Let me set the new comp right away.

Jas.
JudithAnn
Posted 24/10/2017 - 16:39 Link
I would like the thank the judge for all the comments given to each and every photo, what a great job!
Also congrats to GlynM, I Berg and Mudge for having great photos and winning.
I again am sorry for not checking in on Monday, as JAK said it so well....." like you've never been away!"
Feels great to be back, I haven't left photography, just that I have become more consumed with family and life, this past little while my grandchildren went from six of them to eleven!
My cup runneth over! LOL.

JAS
Noelcmn
Posted 25/10/2017 - 09:20 Link
A rather guilt ridden Noel here- trust me to stir up a hornets nest . Beside shivering in anticipation of a 10 year sentence, I still have enough frame of mind to Congratulate JudithAnn, a photo I liked from the start, not only on the button, but also evoked some happy childhood memories. Nice to have you back, and with aplomb as well! 6-11 Grandchildren ? Must have something to do with the quality of the Grandma! Congrats too to GlynM and i-Berg. Thanks to our Judge, excellent challenge, with excellent entries too. Nostalgia has reigned for a week or so already. And thanks so much for commenting on my photo, and though I expected some queries, I had hoped the focus would remain on the Nostalgia part, rather than the subject and all else that has developed with it. Now to wait for Scotland yard to come and visit!
Simonmac
Posted 26/10/2017 - 11:00 Link
JAK wrote:
drofmit wrote:
The current conversation between JAK and David Trout is a major part of the reason I haven't posted anything recently....
legal matters aside, all the fun seems to have vanished... and not just on this site...
everyone, everywhere seems to be sniping at each other, bickering about what's right or wrong....
spontaneity has been driven to the cliff and chucked over!!

So it's OK to enter someone else's photograph for a competition and it mustn't be queried?

Sometimes it pays to be quiet. Come on JAK. You made your point, now give it a rest.
macmccreery.com
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JAK
Posted 26/10/2017 - 23:21 Link
Simonmac wrote:
JAK wrote:
Quote:
The current conversation between JAK and David Trout is a major part of the reason I haven't posted anything recently....
legal matters aside, all the fun seems to have vanished... and not just on this site...
everyone, everywhere seems to be sniping at each other, bickering about what's right or wrong....
spontaneity has been driven to the cliff and chucked over!!

So it's OK to enter someone else's photograph for a competition and it mustn't be queried?

Sometimes it pays to be quiet. Come on JAK. You made your point, now give it a rest.

'JAK wrote'.... nearly 3 days ago! Please would you, we've moved on now.
John K
Edited by JAK: 26/10/2017 - 23:30
Simonmac
Posted 27/10/2017 - 10:41 Link
I'll have the final word. I apologise. I'm afraid that I am a little unwell at present and tend to vent.

Unnecessary and uncalled for.

I am sorry John.

All the best
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www.500px.com/simac

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