as i sad early on i poked a hornets nest which was a good thing and yes i have looked at maria,s work its just not my sort of thing but my argument is why take a photo and then take stuff out which was there ant location when you took the photo you took the photo with it in so leave it in move to a differant location or angle to make the photo it is not a true pice of work which you have try to produce on the camera in the place you are taking it but that is my oppinion

i cant really comment at the moment as camera less but me personaly would stick with pentax but possibly look at a third party lens like a sigma or tamron posibly a 70/200 on a 2.8

[quote:3496ace15f="Stuey"]Makes perfect sense to me - there is some speckled hen being consumed here to [/quote

You like the nuns delight stuey

This debate could go on for ever

but why do you need a computer to adjust anything after the image is on the memory card to me thats computer programing not taking a photo with the end productwhat you have seen on the camera screen

there is one thing for certain it makes a good debate

yes john useing filters is ok but you are useing the filters to creat the photo which you see in the view finder mi argument is why take the photo and then alter it afterwards as to me the skill is to make that photo befor you take it not after (i have to admit that the black and white is a diffrent ball game )

i use to do slide mudge but then it was starting to get exspencive

didnt realise i was poking a hornets nest lol

i aggree with you there john but why take a photo and then start taking stuff out from for ground and background that is not a true photograph