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Comment by Frogfish posted on My First Paid Shoot - A Precis. at 13/03/2011 - 07:41
Mannesty wrote:
This is an excellent write up, thanks. Can we see the images somewhere?
Ha-ha - that was fast. Thank you !This is an excellent write up, thanks. Can we see the images somewhere?
I'm still working on the very few shots I have here (less than 15) - for the others I'll have to wait a few days to get the SD cards back.
Comment by Frogfish posted on My First Paid Shoot - A Precis. at 13/03/2011 - 06:26
Yesterday I did my first paid shoot, accompanying a British Pro who specialises in season as primarily an outdoor sports shooter (golf etc) and year round indoor events (balls, corporate events etc.).
The Photographers
The Pro, his wife & me.
The Equipment
Mobile studio set-up including backdrop (2.6m high x 3m wide and ca. 4m total length), two large softboxes, tripod, wireless triggers, 2 studio lights, assorted stands, clips, cables and tape.
His Equipment - Canon 7D, 50D, 40D. 580 Flash. Main lenses that I saw him use were 10-22 and 50/1.4.
My Equipment - Pentax K5 (K7 as redundancy), 3x8MB 30x and 20x SD cards, IR & cable releases, radio trigger. Lenses used in order of most use : Tamron 17-50/2.8, 43/1.9 Ltd, Sigma 10-20.
All cameras were time synched.
The Set-Up.
The backdrop was set-up not just hanging but in an L shape that clients stood on (see Notes below)
We spent ca. 20-30 mins test shooting for shadows and assessing the best fl to use.
Dual Triggers (redundancy) wired to the lights and to the 7D and to the K5 and 50D (depending on who was shooting - we took 30 mins shifts alternating between the mobile studio and in the main ballroom).
7D was set-up on a tripod (I found this camera quite easy to get used to) with the 10-22 installed. The camera was positioned in portrait format with the lense at 14 degrees. This provided virtually no distortion which was quite evident at wider focal lengths and especially in landscape orientation ( the distortion being an shortening of the body, lengthening of the legs and enlargement of the feet).
The Camera Settings.
Mobile Studio - The 7D was 1/100, F8 and ISO 125 (if I remember correctly) (Pro said use f8 to f11 to ensure everyone’s face is in focus even if there is up to ca. a foot / 30cms difference front to back) and the K5 1/125, f8 , ISO 125. Distance to the subject(s) around 8-10 feet (2.5 − 3 metres).
Flashes - in the mobile studio : softbox and triggered. Hot-shoe flash outside of the mobile studio : Pro used 580 diffuser and bounce. Unfortunately my Metz 50 af-1 had not arrived in time so I had to make do with the on-board flash and cloth diffuser - which actually worked superbly (the ceilings were too high to bounce off anyway and walls too far away) and I had to dial back the flash to −1.0 for singles/couples and 0 for larger groups.
Ambient light - don’t know what he used as I was shooting in the mobile studio when he was shooting in the main ballroom. For the K5 the Green setting didn’t work well as it slowed the shutter to 1/15 or slower so I mainly shot in manual and of course these settings varied a lot but generally (and depending on the lense in use) : f2.0 - f 4 (soft focus is OK for people portraits) / 1/200 to 1/500 / ISO 800 − 1,600 when by the stage and f2.8 - f7.1 (rarely !) / 1/60 − 1/200 / ISO 2,000-3,200 in the ballroom. The K7 (if I had had need of it) would have been absolutely fine for the mobile studio and stage but could not have coped in the ballroom without a hot-shoe flash. The shots from the K5 were superb at 2,000 but will need a little noise reduction cleaning over that - still more than acceptable for large prints if required.
The Event
St Patrick’s Day Ball in Shanghai at the 5 Star Shangri La Hotel (Pudong) - 800 Attendees and Acts from as far away as the UK.& Ireland.
Photographic Requirements
Mobile studio portraits of singles/ couples and groups - set-up in prominent position (close to the bar) !
‘Street’ style shooting of attendees
Posed groups and individuals in the ballroom
Feature Corporate Logos in shots (these need not necessarily be in focus - but must be recognisable).
Shoot main headline acts
The Lighting Conditions.
Studio - perfectly lit, flash photography.
Walkaround - very low light with multi-coloured lights on the stage changing the lighting conditions from moment to moment.
Stage - typical band/singer performance concert conditions.
Balcony Terrace - extremely low light, background of the river and lights of The Bund & downtown Shanghai.
Notes & Tips from the Pro. (there were lots more - he was brilliant explaining everything to me step by step - so I’ll edit and add to this part as I remember them) !
Constantly check shots (1 second review) for glare from glasses and for closed eyes.
Do not let clients see the shots immediately if they ask - smile and tell them politely that their prints will be delivered in a week and they can go to the website to check / select others for printing. Failing to do this will mean lost clients from those waiting in the queue (and there was a long queue) !
Do not allow amateur photographers to shoot in the mobile studio area as this could activate the softbox flashes.
Shoot from behind the performers out into the crowd to get the ambience - sponsors love these shots.
Go anywhere you want and shoot anything you want unless requested not to by someone senior in authority - push the boundaries except where safety, yours or the performers, are concerned ! Reason - these are the shots that will differentiate you from the good amateurs in the audience.
Hold the camera high above your head to shoot down on the crowd.
Green Setting (the 7D has one too) is often great for lighting conditions that change from moment to moment (with hot-shoe flash, not in ambient light as mentioned above).
Nobody starts off wanting to be a Pro - it comes out of love for photography so although you may not think about being a Pro shooter now, you can easily drift into it if you have the opportunity and time permits.
The Shoot.
We arrived 2 hours before the event started (the Pro had shot the same event last year so knew the set-up and had also checked it again prior to the shoot. We had also met and gone over my camera and lenses and some tips on the Friday).
Mobile Studio - Firstly I had to position and pose my clients (this was new to me but some things are obvious and others I picked up from the Pro). It was easier to shoot 3 or 4 shots of each couple and group shots on the 7D then hand hold the K5 for close-ups or alternative shots. We did this for each person / couple / group.
The Ballroom - walked around and shot street style, also posed groups, couples and individuals that looked interesting from a promotional or just fun standpoint.
The Stage - was allowed very close access - I was literally on my knees just 4-5 feet away from and below them for some shots. I enjoyed this bit the best !
I got to watch the Pro work with the celebrities and (by then rather high-spirited) VIPs from the UK / Ireland at the end, watching how he posed them and his ideas, which was great.
Photos
Will come later ! I am allowed to keep my shots and my SD cards will be returned with all shots intact in about a week- so I’ll post some in a set of series then. In the meantime I had just a few shots left on this 3rd card for which I’ll send him a CD tomorrow, so a couple are shown below. They expect it will take them up to a month to process, print & deliver everything but all the main client photos will be delivered in about in 5 days.
My Observations - Comments (I may also add to this section later too) !
A. This is not a job for the timid or faint-hearted. Luckily I have organized and run close to a hundred corporate golf events and given many many presentations to large groups such as the Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce events so directing people and inter-acting with strangers was not a problem for me.
B. 7D vs K5 - quality-wise there is nothing in it. Both performed as required with no hiccups or blips. I loved the wheel on the 7D to quickly scan though all the photos on the CF card - awesome ! You can search through something like 10 shots a second which is far far faster than pushing the directional buttons on the K5. However for individual photo review the K5 is better because on the 7D there are two buttons to zoom in. zoom out whereas on the K5 one flick of the back wheel has the shoot zoomed in to the magnification you want and one more push takes you bak out again.
C. I was frustrated sometimes that my fingers would catch and spin one of the K5 wheels - changing my settings - there must be a way to lock these in somehow (I can’t use AE-L for every shot). Maybe as a User setting ?
D. Canon’s high end flash locking system is a great idea - no wheel to turn just a simple lever locks the hot-shoe flash into position.
E. I can see myself doing more of this - I enjoyed myself tremendously, although it was very hard work (8.5 hours with no time to sit or eat). Next up the Pro has asked me to do a charity golf event with him in April - so more fun to come !
The Photographers
The Pro, his wife & me.
The Equipment
Mobile studio set-up including backdrop (2.6m high x 3m wide and ca. 4m total length), two large softboxes, tripod, wireless triggers, 2 studio lights, assorted stands, clips, cables and tape.
His Equipment - Canon 7D, 50D, 40D. 580 Flash. Main lenses that I saw him use were 10-22 and 50/1.4.
My Equipment - Pentax K5 (K7 as redundancy), 3x8MB 30x and 20x SD cards, IR & cable releases, radio trigger. Lenses used in order of most use : Tamron 17-50/2.8, 43/1.9 Ltd, Sigma 10-20.
All cameras were time synched.
The Set-Up.
The backdrop was set-up not just hanging but in an L shape that clients stood on (see Notes below)
We spent ca. 20-30 mins test shooting for shadows and assessing the best fl to use.
Dual Triggers (redundancy) wired to the lights and to the 7D and to the K5 and 50D (depending on who was shooting - we took 30 mins shifts alternating between the mobile studio and in the main ballroom).
7D was set-up on a tripod (I found this camera quite easy to get used to) with the 10-22 installed. The camera was positioned in portrait format with the lense at 14 degrees. This provided virtually no distortion which was quite evident at wider focal lengths and especially in landscape orientation ( the distortion being an shortening of the body, lengthening of the legs and enlargement of the feet).
The Camera Settings.
Mobile Studio - The 7D was 1/100, F8 and ISO 125 (if I remember correctly) (Pro said use f8 to f11 to ensure everyone’s face is in focus even if there is up to ca. a foot / 30cms difference front to back) and the K5 1/125, f8 , ISO 125. Distance to the subject(s) around 8-10 feet (2.5 − 3 metres).
Flashes - in the mobile studio : softbox and triggered. Hot-shoe flash outside of the mobile studio : Pro used 580 diffuser and bounce. Unfortunately my Metz 50 af-1 had not arrived in time so I had to make do with the on-board flash and cloth diffuser - which actually worked superbly (the ceilings were too high to bounce off anyway and walls too far away) and I had to dial back the flash to −1.0 for singles/couples and 0 for larger groups.
Ambient light - don’t know what he used as I was shooting in the mobile studio when he was shooting in the main ballroom. For the K5 the Green setting didn’t work well as it slowed the shutter to 1/15 or slower so I mainly shot in manual and of course these settings varied a lot but generally (and depending on the lense in use) : f2.0 - f 4 (soft focus is OK for people portraits) / 1/200 to 1/500 / ISO 800 − 1,600 when by the stage and f2.8 - f7.1 (rarely !) / 1/60 − 1/200 / ISO 2,000-3,200 in the ballroom. The K7 (if I had had need of it) would have been absolutely fine for the mobile studio and stage but could not have coped in the ballroom without a hot-shoe flash. The shots from the K5 were superb at 2,000 but will need a little noise reduction cleaning over that - still more than acceptable for large prints if required.
The Event
St Patrick’s Day Ball in Shanghai at the 5 Star Shangri La Hotel (Pudong) - 800 Attendees and Acts from as far away as the UK.& Ireland.
Photographic Requirements
Mobile studio portraits of singles/ couples and groups - set-up in prominent position (close to the bar) !
‘Street’ style shooting of attendees
Posed groups and individuals in the ballroom
Feature Corporate Logos in shots (these need not necessarily be in focus - but must be recognisable).
Shoot main headline acts
The Lighting Conditions.
Studio - perfectly lit, flash photography.
Walkaround - very low light with multi-coloured lights on the stage changing the lighting conditions from moment to moment.
Stage - typical band/singer performance concert conditions.
Balcony Terrace - extremely low light, background of the river and lights of The Bund & downtown Shanghai.
Notes & Tips from the Pro. (there were lots more - he was brilliant explaining everything to me step by step - so I’ll edit and add to this part as I remember them) !
Constantly check shots (1 second review) for glare from glasses and for closed eyes.
Do not let clients see the shots immediately if they ask - smile and tell them politely that their prints will be delivered in a week and they can go to the website to check / select others for printing. Failing to do this will mean lost clients from those waiting in the queue (and there was a long queue) !
Do not allow amateur photographers to shoot in the mobile studio area as this could activate the softbox flashes.
Shoot from behind the performers out into the crowd to get the ambience - sponsors love these shots.
Go anywhere you want and shoot anything you want unless requested not to by someone senior in authority - push the boundaries except where safety, yours or the performers, are concerned ! Reason - these are the shots that will differentiate you from the good amateurs in the audience.
Hold the camera high above your head to shoot down on the crowd.
Green Setting (the 7D has one too) is often great for lighting conditions that change from moment to moment (with hot-shoe flash, not in ambient light as mentioned above).
Nobody starts off wanting to be a Pro - it comes out of love for photography so although you may not think about being a Pro shooter now, you can easily drift into it if you have the opportunity and time permits.
The Shoot.
We arrived 2 hours before the event started (the Pro had shot the same event last year so knew the set-up and had also checked it again prior to the shoot. We had also met and gone over my camera and lenses and some tips on the Friday).
Mobile Studio - Firstly I had to position and pose my clients (this was new to me but some things are obvious and others I picked up from the Pro). It was easier to shoot 3 or 4 shots of each couple and group shots on the 7D then hand hold the K5 for close-ups or alternative shots. We did this for each person / couple / group.
The Ballroom - walked around and shot street style, also posed groups, couples and individuals that looked interesting from a promotional or just fun standpoint.
The Stage - was allowed very close access - I was literally on my knees just 4-5 feet away from and below them for some shots. I enjoyed this bit the best !
I got to watch the Pro work with the celebrities and (by then rather high-spirited) VIPs from the UK / Ireland at the end, watching how he posed them and his ideas, which was great.
Photos
Will come later ! I am allowed to keep my shots and my SD cards will be returned with all shots intact in about a week- so I’ll post some in a set of series then. In the meantime I had just a few shots left on this 3rd card for which I’ll send him a CD tomorrow, so a couple are shown below. They expect it will take them up to a month to process, print & deliver everything but all the main client photos will be delivered in about in 5 days.
My Observations - Comments (I may also add to this section later too) !
A. This is not a job for the timid or faint-hearted. Luckily I have organized and run close to a hundred corporate golf events and given many many presentations to large groups such as the Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce events so directing people and inter-acting with strangers was not a problem for me.
B. 7D vs K5 - quality-wise there is nothing in it. Both performed as required with no hiccups or blips. I loved the wheel on the 7D to quickly scan though all the photos on the CF card - awesome ! You can search through something like 10 shots a second which is far far faster than pushing the directional buttons on the K5. However for individual photo review the K5 is better because on the 7D there are two buttons to zoom in. zoom out whereas on the K5 one flick of the back wheel has the shoot zoomed in to the magnification you want and one more push takes you bak out again.
C. I was frustrated sometimes that my fingers would catch and spin one of the K5 wheels - changing my settings - there must be a way to lock these in somehow (I can’t use AE-L for every shot). Maybe as a User setting ?
D. Canon’s high end flash locking system is a great idea - no wheel to turn just a simple lever locks the hot-shoe flash into position.
E. I can see myself doing more of this - I enjoyed myself tremendously, although it was very hard work (8.5 hours with no time to sit or eat). Next up the Pro has asked me to do a charity golf event with him in April - so more fun to come !
Comment by Frogfish posted on My First Paid Shoot - A Precis. at 13/03/2011 - 06:08
Cheers Stuey !
Thanks for those very kind words Mark !
Thanks for those very kind words Mark !
Comment by Frogfish posted on Chinese Dancer ! at 11/03/2011 - 05:25
That chaffinch with the tail is gorgeous Nipper - and just reinforces my decision to make this lense the next one to add to the armoury. At half the price of the Sigma it's superb.
Comment by Frogfish posted on Today Rockin Robin at 11/03/2011 - 05:21
Hi Nipper #6 is the chaffinch.
A really lovely set - you should be pleased with these. Agree with Jim 49 - would be nice if you included some Exif details.
The re-posted #1 and #6 are the best two for me too.
A really lovely set - you should be pleased with these. Agree with Jim 49 - would be nice if you included some Exif details.
The re-posted #1 and #6 are the best two for me too.
Comment by Frogfish posted on Today Rockin Robin at 10/03/2011 - 21:10
Our poor faithful friends - just when they want to be left alone for a snooze along comes their master sticking a camera in their faces and blasting some strange light at them
Congrats on your superb new camera !
Congrats on your superb new camera !
Comment by Frogfish posted on Sleeping dogs at 10/03/2011 - 10:31
Cool shot !
That looks like a youngster next to it too - hope you lot weren't that close !
These are very small penguins aren't they ?
That looks like a youngster next to it too - hope you lot weren't that close !
These are very small penguins aren't they ?
Comment by Frogfish posted on Fairy Penguin at 10/03/2011 - 10:28
You perverts ! I'll now have to go down to the local knocking shop to get you the shot you were all expecting
Daffodil ? I think i've ever seen them here in the flower market !
Thank you all for your comments - much appreciated !
Daffodil ? I think i've ever seen them here in the flower market !
Thank you all for your comments - much appreciated !
Comment by Frogfish posted on Chinese Dancer ! at 10/03/2011 - 10:27
I've been trying to catch these birds bathing for ages - they looked like they were having such fun !
ISO 1,250. 1/1,250. F4.5. 300mm.
ISO 1,250. 1/1,250. F4.5. 300mm.
Comment by Frogfish posted on Chinese Dancer ! at 09/03/2011 - 16:41
Anyway to add :
We shot in jpg (on the K5 it was the 10MP setting not the 14MP) - Pro said there was plenty of resolution there for A3 prints even after minor cropping. The main reason for this was PP - far faster & easier processing.
The 7D once set-up was never moved - this way certain PP effects / crops could easily be applied across a thousand shots at once since the camera settings & lighting were always the same too.
F. The K5s battery was amazing ... although of course a lot of the mobile studio shots were taken on the 7D all my hand-held ones were taken with the K5. In addition of course all the Ballroom and Stage shots (with and without the pop-up flash) were taken with the K5. When I got home and checked the battery (I was carrying a spare of course) it still read full ! Had i been using a hot-show flash then the battery drain would have been much higher of course.