ChrisA

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dougf8 wrote:
It's a bit odd ignoring that most other art is in colour, ever since a caveman mixed up a bit of colour paste, differentiating himself from the other weekend hunters still using burnt sticks.


Joking apart, there are of course art forms that use black and white. Line drawings, charcoal, for instance, and I'm not denying their value as art.

But I don't see what's so sacrilegious about making realistic what was intended to be realistic.

Looking at those images, I don't see a single one where the impact is lessened by the conversion.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 15:30

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gartmore wrote:
Who does this woman think she is that she can mess around with this photographic heritage?
The thing is, even phrasing the question like this is prejudging it.

I don't think she's 'messing around' with anything. She hasn't altered any of Ansel Adams' pictures (which are already as messed around with as you could get!), she's taken portraits and news images of the day, and shown how they would have looked, rather than how they had to look due to the limitations of the technology.

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I think I'll start converting all the great paintings into mono. OK, maybe with the exception of Picasso's 'Guernica'
She hasn't coloured in the originals. They're still the same.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 15:24

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johnriley wrote:
Black and white has a timeless power of its own
This will remain true, I suspect, only in the art world, where it's important to eliminate the distraction of colour sometimes.

In a few decades time, when all us old farts that have any reason to remember the periods in question, have died off, I suspect B&W photography will be regarded as a quirk, a pre-Facebook anomaly.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 14:52

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Pentaxophile wrote:
and the one with the girl & poodle by a lake is pretty bad!
Yes, it's dreadful. The only justification would be if it was intended to look like fading colour - I have some old prints that look a bit like this.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 13:51

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Pentaxophile wrote:
Colouring them makes them look like they could have been taken yesterday
I wonder if this is an element of why a few people react so violently against these coloured images.

My take on it isn't that 'they could have been taken yesterday', it's 'they would have been taken like that at the time, if they could have been."

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 13:49

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MattMatic wrote:
Off topic, but interesting link here: http://karsh.org/#/the_work/portraits/winston_churchill/
Ah. So that's who Karsh is

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 13:45

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milamber wrote:
The point is these photos are not 'art'. They are records of historical figures or important moments in history.

I honestly can't believe that any of the photographers who took these would have made a conscious decision to use black and white film had colour been available. It's only those of us in later years who have the luxury of using colour and black and white who see black and white photos as somehow more artistic.

This perception is presumably in no small way due to seeing some of these iconic images in black and white as we grew up, but that doesn't mean that many of these wouldn't be better in colour.
Yes, this is exactly the point I've been trying to make. Thanks for expressing it so well.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 10:36

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Dodge69 wrote:
How, when and by who they were caught should be respected.
What is disrespectful about colouring them in?

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 23/01/2012 - 08:35

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Snootchies wrote:
They seem more visceral and authentic somehow.
Yes, because the scene was originally in colour

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And yet I feel like I'm betraying 'something' by saying that, it's strange.
You're really not.

The great photography of the day was no less great for being in B&W. Sometimes, the isolation of form from colour probably heightened the impact.

But such isolation is artificial, not real.

We see in colour.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 22/01/2012 - 22:51

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johnriley wrote:
Interesting, but elsewhere the consensus is that the colour versions are preferred.
And here, pretty much.

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Whether this is counter-intuitive or not, who knows?
Would you like to be able to see only in black and white?

Of course you wouldn't. That's why it's not counter-intuitive.

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It's not something I expected.
No, I'm not surprised. I expect most old-school (I don't use the term pejoratively) photographers who grew up with black and white, and remember those events in conjunction with the iconic photos of the day, would prefer the B&W images.

As I say, B&W is a useful technique for isolating form from colour. But it's rubbish when colour is important.

And if it wasn't for history of photography, which is of course mostly B&W, B&W wouldn't, I suspect, have the status it does.

Comment by ChrisA posted on The stupidest thing I've seen today. at 22/01/2012 - 22:14

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