Totally agree with you there George and Nathan just proved that.

Now there is the sign of a wise and good man. Thanks Nathan, I am glad we got this cleared out and we are on the same level here. I am sure if there was a slip from my tongue, well in this case from my fingers you or somene else would have called my attention to it too.

Now let's try to get back to Gwyn and see if we can pursuade her to stay on. We will miss her input if she really stays away.

Gwyn, please reconsider and perhaps give it a day or two and think about it again. This is a nice bunch of people here, and even though once in a while there is a heated debate that ends up a bit nasty but overall compared to other forums this is really a great one.

Oh yes, absolutely stunning for portraits. I have a few done and you can see the epithelial tissues from the skin , Just joking Aiki, what I mean is it really is nice depending who you are photographing. I love it for kids. I have the 50mm prime too but sometimes I prefer the 100mm macro, depends on occasion.

But please do not take my word for it only, I am sure the more experienced members in the forum will give you a more knowledgeable feedback

Not sure what "behind my back" means in your books but what I wrote here was right there black in white for everyone including you to read. So I wasn't beating around the bushes.

What is there to be misquoted? Even though my grasp of english is quite limited but what I did was "quote" you and not "misquote" you. Its there, word for word.

Now if you ask me, that is rude calling someone idiot even as a response to "Pentax is a study camera". And even though I agree with you in principle that her tutor is wrong if he really thinks that Pentax is a study camera I would not have called him "idiot". I would have used a different way to imply that he is wrong, utterly and despicably wrong and misinformed.

So does the term "idiot" mean something lesser of a rude term in your native language? As far as I know the word is very similar even in spelling in many languages:

idiot in Dutch is idioot
idiot in French is idiot
idiot in Italian is idiota
idiot in Norwegian is idiot
idiot in Swedish is idiot
idiot in Portuguese is idiota

Which one is your native language and how does it differ from the meaning it has in english?

And finally harshness in the way you write or address to people is way different from rudeness. You can be harsh and still polite. You can just say what you want without sweetening the pill and convey your message and still maintain respectability. You just have to look at George and take a leaf out of his book. He is a self admitting harsh and direct person with what he writes but still maintains a gentlemanly attitude with whatever he writes. Whether you agree with him or not there is always a sense of respectability. I haven't seen him using terminology that falls below the standard of respectability.

Fully agree. That's why I love this forum. Very friendly and great place. My browser is always open on this site while I work around.

Wouldn't like someone calling my tutor an "idiot". That's just one of the examples. Very few ones I admit but still nonetheless very disturbing. Makes me wonder where suddenly the friendliness goes when something like that is chucked into a forum.

But hey, I still like this forum, that's why I get withdrawals symptoms when I am away for many hours and now I have reverted to come for a fix in the middle of the night every day

Mark, not entirely true. You might have missed a few posts in that thread. Don't want to inflate it again and restart the debate but certain posts I read really made me feel very angry personally. I just decided not to chip in because didn't want to get drawn and would end up too involved.

True also, I agree with that and it was ridiculous seeing the behaviour and attitude of the member.

Gwyn, sad to see you go. As a newbie into DSLR I recall receiving some extremely good advice from lots of members here and you were one of them that helped me often and put up with so many of my boring questions. So pretty sad to see someone like you go in fact.

But I fully understand and can relate to that feeling. I started here hardly a few months ago, not sure if these exchanges already existed before but for a good few months I didn't notice anything, it was pretty smooth, but then suddenly it all went pear shaped. Sad but true.

Its pretty sad when things come to this extreme and name calling to tutors, court action threats etc start proliferating in the forum. It just turns the once so friendly forum into a an unwelcoming place

Frankwu great, one more vote for a woman,
Karl I am struggling to see a mermaid . I can just about make out the alien, the fact that you said long mouth does help to visualise. But I will keep insisting. I can see the bottom part similar to mermaid but its the rest that I am struggling with.

Thanks

George, will have a look again guided by your description. I got to visualise that woman from there

EDITED: I see it , it was the flowing hair that helped me tune the imagination, I could see the shoulders but couldn't make sense of the rest but when you mentioned flowing hair and clear hips and shoulders I kept that image in mind and tried to allocate the parts and immediately I could see the patterns forming .
Thanks George.

Mat, I can see that too now that you mention