Wtd. K20D Plus Lenses
Posted 13/04/2009 - 12:41
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Used K20D's or even refurbs go for almost the same price as new ones which have a 2year guarantee.
shim
shim
Posted 13/04/2009 - 16:50
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Hi Craig. welcome to the Forum!
I've been struggling with the same problem. Let me share what I've learnt so far.
Shim's comments are correct; second-hand prices are very close to new ones. There are some apparantly good deals out there, but caveat emptor!
Be careful with people selling kit 'in warranty'. Pentax will only recognise the warranty IF you have proof of purchase.
Pentax Pro dealers sell with 2 years warranty; non-pentax Pro dealers only offer 1 year.
I'm currently torn between a new K20D body only with 2 year warranty Vs. a new K20D + 18-55 mk 2 with 1 year warranty for the same price (applying Quidco + a discount code).
Whatever I do, however, (unless buying from someone from this Forum who all seem to be genuine enthusiasts), I'll be buying new.
Read other threads for some of the problems (rare it seems) that members have faced getting their kit fixed by Pentax, and this with kit thats in warranty.
Good luck!
I've been struggling with the same problem. Let me share what I've learnt so far.
Shim's comments are correct; second-hand prices are very close to new ones. There are some apparantly good deals out there, but caveat emptor!
Be careful with people selling kit 'in warranty'. Pentax will only recognise the warranty IF you have proof of purchase.
Pentax Pro dealers sell with 2 years warranty; non-pentax Pro dealers only offer 1 year.
I'm currently torn between a new K20D body only with 2 year warranty Vs. a new K20D + 18-55 mk 2 with 1 year warranty for the same price (applying Quidco + a discount code).
Whatever I do, however, (unless buying from someone from this Forum who all seem to be genuine enthusiasts), I'll be buying new.
Read other threads for some of the problems (rare it seems) that members have faced getting their kit fixed by Pentax, and this with kit thats in warranty.
Good luck!
Posted 13/04/2009 - 16:55
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CraigF1969 wrote:
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
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You can see some of my shots at my Flickr account.
You can see some of my shots at my Flickr account.
Posted 13/04/2009 - 17:13
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1 week old K200D body,box all accesories, with two year warranty. £285 inc postage. Big saving on 20D, IQ very close.
Posted 13/04/2009 - 17:39
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mikew wrote:
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
CraigF1969 wrote:
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
You basically hit the nail on the head with the Inconvenience comment. You see i think thats been my problem. The better Glass i bought the more i seemed to be relying on the camera and glass when in fact what i really wanted was to push things to the limit and see what i could achieve.
Posted 13/04/2009 - 17:43
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JohnX wrote:
Hi Craig. welcome to the Forum!
I've been struggling with the same problem. Let me share what I've learnt so far.
Shim's comments are correct; second-hand prices are very close to new ones. There are some apparantly good deals out there, but caveat emptor!
Be careful with people selling kit 'in warranty'. Pentax will only recognise the warranty IF you have proof of purchase.
Pentax Pro dealers sell with 2 years warranty; non-pentax Pro dealers only offer 1 year.
I'm currently torn between a new K20D body only with 2 year warranty Vs. a new K20D + 18-55 mk 2 with 1 year warranty for the same price (applying Quidco + a discount code).
Whatever I do, however, (unless buying from someone from this Forum who all seem to be genuine enthusiasts), I'll be buying new.
Read other threads for some of the problems (rare it seems) that members have faced getting their kit fixed by Pentax, and this with kit thats in warranty.
Good luck!
Hi Craig. welcome to the Forum!
I've been struggling with the same problem. Let me share what I've learnt so far.
Shim's comments are correct; second-hand prices are very close to new ones. There are some apparantly good deals out there, but caveat emptor!
Be careful with people selling kit 'in warranty'. Pentax will only recognise the warranty IF you have proof of purchase.
Pentax Pro dealers sell with 2 years warranty; non-pentax Pro dealers only offer 1 year.
I'm currently torn between a new K20D body only with 2 year warranty Vs. a new K20D + 18-55 mk 2 with 1 year warranty for the same price (applying Quidco + a discount code).
Whatever I do, however, (unless buying from someone from this Forum who all seem to be genuine enthusiasts), I'll be buying new.
Read other threads for some of the problems (rare it seems) that members have faced getting their kit fixed by Pentax, and this with kit thats in warranty.
Good luck!
Cheers for the advice, i had noticed a severe lack of used 20D's.
I will do a bit of research into the "Getting kit fixed if there is an issues" problem also.
What the best price you have seen New with Codes?
Posted 13/04/2009 - 17:52
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CraigF1969 wrote:
You basically hit the nail on the head with the Inconvenience comment. You see i think thats been my problem. The better Glass i bought the more i seemed to be relying on the camera and glass when in fact what i really wanted was to push things to the limit and see what i could achieve.
mikew wrote:
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
You basically hit the nail on the head with the Inconvenience comment. You see i think thats been my problem. The better Glass i bought the more i seemed to be relying on the camera and glass when in fact what i really wanted was to push things to the limit and see what i could achieve.
Well each to his own but I can't see how introducing inconvenience will lead to better photographs
Personally I'd save a heap of money and keep the Canon gear.
Mike
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Posted 13/04/2009 - 18:03
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mikew wrote:
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
CraigF1969 wrote:
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Hi Folks,
New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.
Just satisfy my curiosity in what way does getting a heap of old primes offer a challenge - apart from the inconvenience they represent?
Mike
Dear dear, inconvenience? where's this coming from? The old primes as you refer to, are quality lenses and remember, the body only holds the film, er, sorry card. The quality of your photography entirely rests on what your eyes/lens sees, the quality of the lens determines the quality of what you record and hopefully you will start to think about focus, aperture and improve your photography. I have quite a few quality Pentax lenses (old primes) and the quality of them is superb, treat yourself to one and have a go.
Not everything in life is Black & White, If only it were!
Kind Regards,
Rees
Kind Regards,
Rees
Posted 13/04/2009 - 18:24
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I had a couple of non AF lenses and they were a darned nuisance as I had to think about the focus all the time. I still think about focus very carefully but the ability to use AF is such a boon I'd be very reluctant to lose it now.
I know which lens is easier to use and gives better quality and it's the 35mm FA F2 which in my experience is streets ahead of the 35mm f2.8 film lens I bought in terms of quality, colour rendition and ease of use.
The 21 ltd is fiddly to get a good focus on but I think I now have the technique right, same with 70 ltd. Once again these lenses seem to be streets ahead of the 28mm F2.8 film lens I bought in terms of sharpness but perhaps more importantly colour rendition.
I simply don't buy into this use old primes they are so great idea but each to his or her own. I would hope that in 20 years Pentax have improved their lens quality somewhat and from my own experience they have.
I might add that I don't own any hair shirts either .
Mike
I know which lens is easier to use and gives better quality and it's the 35mm FA F2 which in my experience is streets ahead of the 35mm f2.8 film lens I bought in terms of quality, colour rendition and ease of use.
The 21 ltd is fiddly to get a good focus on but I think I now have the technique right, same with 70 ltd. Once again these lenses seem to be streets ahead of the 28mm F2.8 film lens I bought in terms of sharpness but perhaps more importantly colour rendition.
I simply don't buy into this use old primes they are so great idea but each to his or her own. I would hope that in 20 years Pentax have improved their lens quality somewhat and from my own experience they have.
I might add that I don't own any hair shirts either .
Mike
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You can see some of my shots at my Flickr account.
Posted 13/04/2009 - 19:14
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The DSG group (PC World, etc) has the K20D + 18-55 on their web-site(s) at £567.63. For Home delivery only the code YAWAPR09 at checkout gives 5% discount. If you buy through Quidco they offer 4% discount.
The 5% discount = £539.25. If the 4% Quidco (off £539.25) tracks ok this = £517.68.
NB 1 year warranty only
Body only at SRS and Park =£519 with 2 year warranty
The 5% discount = £539.25. If the 4% Quidco (off £539.25) tracks ok this = £517.68.
NB 1 year warranty only
Body only at SRS and Park =£519 with 2 year warranty
Posted 13/04/2009 - 21:07
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Dear Dear, you younger guys do not recognized a bargain when you see it Iv'e had Pentax cameras for 35 years and never had any problems plus I think the lenses of years ago are much better quality than the lenses produced today, I might have a K20 for sale in the next couple of weeks and I will sell it at a reasonable price but I would rather keep it than sell for less than what it is really worth, there is nothing wrong with manual lenses if you want auto focus you might as well buy a point and shoot camera, everybody is always wanting cheap cheap but you get what you pay for.
Posted 13/04/2009 - 22:26
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jackitec wrote:
Dear Dear, you younger guys ... there is nothing wrong with manual lenses if you want auto focus you might as well buy a point and shoot camera, everybody is always wanting cheap cheap but you get what you pay for.
Dear Dear, you younger guys ... there is nothing wrong with manual lenses if you want auto focus you might as well buy a point and shoot camera, everybody is always wanting cheap cheap but you get what you pay for.
Where on earth are you coming from apparently suggesting I may as well get point & shoot if I want AF?
AF is a tool that can be used wisely or badly that's up to the user and I for one would rather have its assistance than not.
If we're going to be really picky then anything that isn't rangefinder is less than ideal in my view but I can't afford that technology.
For sure the 35mm FA f2 blows away any other lens in every regard I've used including the 28, 35 and 50 non AF lenses I bought and sold.
Mike
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You can see some of my shots at my Flickr account.
Posted 14/04/2009 - 09:03
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I had a couple of non AF lenses and they were a darned nuisance as I had to think about the focus all the time
I had a couple of non AF lenses and they were a darned nuisance as I had to think about the focus all the time
That's the point in Manual focus you have to think!
Calm down Mike, remember if we all were the same where photography's concerned we WOULD be using idiot proof point and shoot units.
Cheers, HG
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Posted 14/04/2009 - 09:06
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You basically hit the nail on the head with the Inconvenience comment. You see i think thats been my problem. The better Glass i bought the more i seemed to be relying on the camera and glass when in fact what i really wanted was to push things to the limit and see what i could achieve.
You basically hit the nail on the head with the Inconvenience comment. You see i think thats been my problem. The better Glass i bought the more i seemed to be relying on the camera and glass when in fact what i really wanted was to push things to the limit and see what i could achieve.
I am not sure if the manual lenses do create inconvenience, they create the opportunity to forget to do something right, but make you think about all the elements that go into creating a photograph. So I am with Craig on this one, manual lenses do make you consider more of the elements in a photo and thus do challenge the photographer more.
Back to the inconvenience thing, OK auto lenses are easier but, how often do you using auto-focus set up the focal point to then recompose the shot and then possibly adjust the exposure if the focus point and exposure point are different or not locked.
When it comes to low light and close-up photography I tend to go manual anyway and some of the old lenses are cracking lenses.
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New to the forums and in the market for a minty Used K20D plus lenses and extras.
Recently moved away from Canon as i didnt feel i was challenging myself so decided i would go down the Pentax route and try and get a load of Cheap, old manual lenses and challenge myself a little.
Let me know what you have plus prices.