Wireless flash


kerrowdown

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 19:37
Hey George, not so much of the "older people". it's always been a wireless here, meaning a type of radio receiver.
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Last Edited by kerrowdown on 26/08/2008 - 19:37

ChrisA

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:12
George Lazarette wrote:
nathanever82 wrote:

Quote:
Reducing the flash imput with the Fn button will reduce only the pop up flash - I am pretty sure that this will also only work when the pop up is set to master - as when its set to slave it fires the minimum power possible.


I think you are right.

I think perhaps he isn't.

Never one to shy away from actually testing such things, I set up the K10D and the Samsung version of the AF540 in wireless mode. With the K10D's popup in controller mode (ie where it isn't supposed to contribute to the exposure), I took the following four shots:













They were all taken at 1/160s, F10 (at which exposure there was nowhere near enough ambient light to see on the photograph).

The only difference between them was that I changed the flash output using the Fn menu: -2, -1, 0, +1 respectively.

Then I redid it, with the popup as master:










It's not an exhaustive test, and I only did this one series, with the camera in manual, but the results did bear out the same subjective impression I've had in other modes.

I didn't edit the pictures at all, apart from put them through ACR with the same default settings for each.
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George Lazarette

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:12
Would you prefer "wiser", to "older"?

G
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George Lazarette

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:15
ChrisA wrote:
George Lazarette wrote:
I think you are right.

I think perhaps he isn't.


I now don't know!

G
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kerrowdown

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:16
George, I think I would, but then in my case that would be a very big untruth about me.

To add insult to injury, I can't these days even remember what I had for breakfast, so maybe you are right with the original statement of older.
Kerrowdown... Aka Romantic Highlander.

Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand... William Blake.

"Mistress" Pentax-A 15mm F3.5, "Good Lady" Pentax-A 20mm F2.8, "Friendly Lady" Pentax-A 24mm F2.8, "Deviate Lady" Pentax 28mm F3.5 Shift, "Street Lady" Pentax-A 28mm F2.8, "Retro Lady" SMC Pentax-M 40mm F2.8, "Special Lady" Pentax-A 50mm F1.2, "Femme Fatale" Pentax-A 50mm F2.8 Macro, "Sweetheart" Pentax-A*85mm F1.4, "Lady Luck" Pentax-A*135mm F1.8, "Gorgeous Lady" Pentax-A*200mm F2.8 ED, "Duchess" Pentax-A*300mm F4.0, "HM The Queen" SMC Pentax 500mm F4.5

ChrisA

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:20
George Lazarette wrote:
ChrisA wrote:
Quote:
I think you are right.

I think perhaps he isn't.


I now don't know!

Well, neither do I.

But if there's an alternative explanation for the results, than the e-dial is influencing the main flash's output, then I'd like to hear it.

I'm very much a newbie when it comes to flash. I've only just this week realised how wrong I've been doing it all along - it was when an important shoot went horribly, horribly wrong the other weekend that I finally worked out (most of) what a complete muppet I've been.
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Last Edited by ChrisA on 26/08/2008 - 20:21

George Lazarette

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:30
kerrowdown wrote:
George, I think I would, but then in my case that would be a very big untruth about me.

To add insult to injury, I can't these days even remember what I had for breakfast, so maybe you are right with the original statement of older.

Bear in mind that older doesn't necessarily mean old.

I treasure it when I meet an old lady who says "Young man......"!

G
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kerrowdown

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:34
It doesn't happen to me, I live in hope
Kerrowdown... Aka Romantic Highlander.

Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand... William Blake.

"Mistress" Pentax-A 15mm F3.5, "Good Lady" Pentax-A 20mm F2.8, "Friendly Lady" Pentax-A 24mm F2.8, "Deviate Lady" Pentax 28mm F3.5 Shift, "Street Lady" Pentax-A 28mm F2.8, "Retro Lady" SMC Pentax-M 40mm F2.8, "Special Lady" Pentax-A 50mm F1.2, "Femme Fatale" Pentax-A 50mm F2.8 Macro, "Sweetheart" Pentax-A*85mm F1.4, "Lady Luck" Pentax-A*135mm F1.8, "Gorgeous Lady" Pentax-A*200mm F2.8 ED, "Duchess" Pentax-A*300mm F4.0, "HM The Queen" SMC Pentax 500mm F4.5

nathanever82

Link Posted 26/08/2008 - 20:51
It took me some time, but I got used to not paying much attention to what happens with the flash, and simply adjust accordingly.

This creates a situation where I always work in manual mode, both on camera and on flash, and it really is a matter or trial and error. I realised that if early on it was mostly error, now its much easier to get the right settings very quickly. Its a bit like when I started photography with my film K1000 and i'd become confiden in 'metering' or guessing an approximate aperture/time before looking at the exposimeter.

Now that Chris has disporoved my (wrong) theory, I am going to try the same with the 360, and the Sigma flash, hoping to get good results!

I think I will keep on relying on my gut feelings and work in manual!!!!

Nathan
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Nimitz

Link Posted 27/08/2008 - 07:44
Nathan - thanks for the link. Looks very interesting, but I might need something longer.

I have been looking at an Infrared trigger. I have chatted with another dane who uses it on his Sigma 500 - and it works quite ok. I'm going to try it this weekend.

G - thanks for setting the test up. I was not able to try out myself last night. I hope I will have some more time this weekend to play around.

I'm going to use my flash with the Ezybox hotshoe softbox. The results I have had so far are extremely good.

On tuesday I have to shoot the employees for a company. So this weekend I need to play alot
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George Lazarette

Link Posted 27/08/2008 - 08:03
Nimitz wrote:
On tuesday I have to shoot the employees for a company.

I suppose that's more cost-effective than paying redundancy pay.

G
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Ohawa

Link Posted 27/08/2008 - 08:40
The AF360FGZ wireless feature is briefly described in the flash's manual. Though very incomplete, I made it work successfully. The rest of this discussion is very interesting though I'm still struggling with simple flash photography.

George Lazarette

Link Posted 27/08/2008 - 10:16
Ohawa wrote:
I'm still struggling with simple flash photography.

The advent of digital has made using flash much easier. Manual mode, two or three test shots, and you're done.

Of course, arranging the lighting for best effect is just as challenging as it ever was.

G
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ChrisA

Link Posted 27/08/2008 - 23:48
George Lazarette wrote:
The advent of digital has made using flash much easier. Manual mode, two or three test shots, and you're done.

All true, with a static subject.

Not, though, with one that's running around.

Although perhaps the latter doesn't count as 'simple' flash photography.
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