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Posted 15/08/2010 - 19:24
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Offertonhatter wrote:
A K20D mk2 (or should that be a K10D mk3!)
Magnesium bodied like the K-7
3" screen
K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
at least 6fps, maybe 7fps (and an increase of fps to 7-8 with grip, ala Nikon)
Bigger buffer and faster write speeds
SR switch on the back (not on the K-7)
faster more accurate AF
more than 11 AF points, maybe with 3d tracking.
more precise metering (the K20D can under expose, the K-7 can over expose)
Low light/hi ISO performance like the k-x
Full weather sealing will be a given.
lockable dial from the K-7 as so many times I have accidently moved it on the K20D
If a tilt screen can be provided without compromising weather sealing would be nice.
twin card slots would be nice too, but as long as will take SDXC then that might not be an issue.
improve the 14.6 APS-C even more, no point trying to go to 18mp.
1/250 flash sync
100% VF
electronic level.
So, basically taking the best of each model and putting it into a new K20D model, plus some improvements generally.
Yep, that would do nicely and keep it under £1000A K20D mk2 (or should that be a K10D mk3!)
Magnesium bodied like the K-7
3" screen
K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
at least 6fps, maybe 7fps (and an increase of fps to 7-8 with grip, ala Nikon)
Bigger buffer and faster write speeds
SR switch on the back (not on the K-7)
faster more accurate AF
more than 11 AF points, maybe with 3d tracking.
more precise metering (the K20D can under expose, the K-7 can over expose)
Low light/hi ISO performance like the k-x
Full weather sealing will be a given.
lockable dial from the K-7 as so many times I have accidently moved it on the K20D
If a tilt screen can be provided without compromising weather sealing would be nice.
twin card slots would be nice too, but as long as will take SDXC then that might not be an issue.
improve the 14.6 APS-C even more, no point trying to go to 18mp.
1/250 flash sync
100% VF
electronic level.
So, basically taking the best of each model and putting it into a new K20D model, plus some improvements generally.
John
Posted 15/08/2010 - 19:38
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Offertonhatter wrote:
K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
From what I understand the recoil is actually more because the shutter is heavier. K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
I'm still playing with the thought off an dictated SLR APS-C mount instead of the k-mount. I would most likely buy such a camera if Pentax would come with a good adaptor and with the promise of DA* like lenses for it and an advance body.
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:15
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Anvh wrote:
Funny, I have had the opposite feeling. Maybe its just me, but I can feel the shutter move in my K10D/K20D, but when I tested a K-7 it was smooth.
Offertonhatter wrote:
K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
From what I understand the recoil is actually more because the shutter is heavier. K-7 shutter on it (quieter and less recoil than the K20D shutter)
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Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:17
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I think the mirror system is more damped but have read reports of the K7 shutter causing more recoil and therefore more blurred photos than the K20D did.
I believe this was the article that mentioned it http://falklumo.blogspot.com/2010/07/lumolabs-shutter-induced-blur-with-slr.html
points 3 and 4 are of interests.
I believe this was the article that mentioned it http://falklumo.blogspot.com/2010/07/lumolabs-shutter-induced-blur-with-slr.html
points 3 and 4 are of interests.
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:18
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Actually, just thought, its NOT the shutter......its the mirror!
DOH!
DOH!
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Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:25
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I know this is going off topic, but my MZ-5n has the smoothest shutter actuation, the K20D the biggest kick.
What I will do, is a comparison of various cameras and let you know my feelings. As friends have, and I quote - 5D, 5Dmk2, D3, 1Dmk4, D300, 7D, 50D, 70D etc etc.
Will be interesting to see. It won't scientific, but what is?.....
What I will do, is a comparison of various cameras and let you know my feelings. As friends have, and I quote - 5D, 5Dmk2, D3, 1Dmk4, D300, 7D, 50D, 70D etc etc.
Will be interesting to see. It won't scientific, but what is?.....
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Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:29
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I wonder if they can effectively make a shutter that move a counterweight in the other direction to counter act any force the shutter has on the body?
If so that might be on my wish list as well
If so that might be on my wish list as well
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:38
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Just thinking, after reading the blog (interesting read Stefan, thanks)
Maybe a front to back SR would help as well.
And I hate to say this, but maybe this is the only advantage of in-lens SR like Nikon and Canon, rather than in-body SR of Pentax and Sony. As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
Yes the body SR is still running, but it's in the body and maybe it cannot counter the shutter vibration and mirror slap, whereas the lens SR is independent (sort of) of this.
Maybe a front to back SR would help as well.
And I hate to say this, but maybe this is the only advantage of in-lens SR like Nikon and Canon, rather than in-body SR of Pentax and Sony. As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
Yes the body SR is still running, but it's in the body and maybe it cannot counter the shutter vibration and mirror slap, whereas the lens SR is independent (sort of) of this.
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Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:41
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Offertonhatter wrote:
And I hate to say this, but maybe this is the only advantage of in-lens SR like Nikon and Canon, rather than in-body SR of Pentax and Sony. As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
Not the only advantage.And I hate to say this, but maybe this is the only advantage of in-lens SR like Nikon and Canon, rather than in-body SR of Pentax and Sony. As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
With in lens you can actually see the SR working as the image settles down in the viewfinder.
Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:50
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Offertonhatter wrote:
As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
Yes the body SR is still running, but it's in the body and maybe it cannot counter the shutter vibration and mirror slap, whereas the lens SR is independent (sort of) of this.
The mirror slap happens before exposure so does not add to the blur at all or stress to the SR system.As the lens SR will still be active as the shutter is pressed.....
Yes the body SR is still running, but it's in the body and maybe it cannot counter the shutter vibration and mirror slap, whereas the lens SR is independent (sort of) of this.
Also the lens is firmly connected to the body so any movement the body has will also finds his way to the lens.
I actually think inbody SR has more potential in reducing this effect because they might be able program the sensor to move at the precise time to counter act the shutter movement.
Something lens based SR can not do because that means you need to program the lens for every body out there
Posted 15/08/2010 - 20:51
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Mike-P wrote:
Not the only advantage.
With in lens you can actually see the SR working as the image settles down in the viewfinder.
But in body SR can also counteract tilt like in the K7, something in lens SR can never do.Not the only advantage.
With in lens you can actually see the SR working as the image settles down in the viewfinder.
But have their advantages, maybe a combination would be the best option.
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
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AF and FPS, plus noise improvements. The AF on the DA*60-250 seems sluggish- currently if I want fast the D3 comes out.
Don't give a monkeys about Live View or Movies..
14.6 MP is sufficient, even the 12.1 MP of the D3 is enough - I hear of Canon users trading their 1Ds Mk3s for the D3.
Like Mike's desire for twin slots.
Objective wise - a 400 mm f5.6 or a zoom that covers that range and a tc...
But...my Pentax kit as far as I'm concerned is complete - the DA* have covered themselves in glory plus a lot of sea salt. I have my complete carry around kit - needs to do more push ups to lug the D3 + 70-200VR around all day
F50 1.7. SMC-FAs 24, 35, 50 1.4, 85, 135. HD-FA15-30, DFA24-70, D-FA*70-200. The SMC-FA Limited Trinity.
Metz 45 CL-4, AF500FTZ. AF540FGZ.
Some Mamiya and some Nikon, and a Canon T70.